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Bitcoin Classic and the User-Activated-Hardfork (UAHF).

Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:05 pm

Over the last month we have seen an accelerated amount of effort being put into finally fixing the problems that have been bothering real users for months now. As the dust is not nearly ready to settle, we can at least make out the terrain and the big players.


What many have been expecting is playing out before our eyes. We are going to see a divorce and two chains will continue their own ways. It does not help anyone to go over the history of how we got here, it just matters that there is too much fighting and sleepless nights on all sides. The end result has been becoming more and more clear to everyone close enough, Bitcoin as a whole will lose everything if we can't move forward.

When the developers and self-appointed experts can't decide on which product to put in the market, we should not stall all progress but instead bring both of them on the market and let the people vote with their money. Let the market decide. In the long term the open market always is the wisest of us all.

For me the math is simple, if we get 5x the amount of paying customers in a year, then the SegWit chain can't support them, which will be a horrible experience due to long waiting times again. So the greatest growth, and the highest prices, are going to be on the chain that has its ducks in a row and allows for scaling in the short term.

Based on this, the most interesting solution we observed is the UAHF. Which is short for User-Activated Hardfork.
I want to share my findings on how this one works here;

The chain-fork activates on a specified date. Set to 2017-08-01 12:20:00 GMT

Miners that switched to mining this will follow the current chain up until that point, but diverge after this time.

Major features are;
  • First block (one block) has to be larger than 1 MB.
    This definitively marks the chain-split and old clients won't follow it so we cause minimal disruption. Similarly, we avoid many problems with regards to attacks by other hashpower. Once this block is mined, we are following the updated rules, nothing can be done to change that.
  • Block-size limit is enlarged.
    We get a large breath of fresh air. The limit of 1 MB is removed and miners will mine up to 2 MB blocks. We allow for future growth without additional protocol upgrades until 8 MB.
  • Optional Bi-directional Replay protection.
    When the chain-split happens normal transactions created on one chain will be valid on "the other chain". This is an issue for people that want to trade between those chains or simply want to avoid a transaction on one chain to be valid on another.
    Software will need to be updated to support sending and receiving those special transactions. Normal transactions work fine in all existing chains.
  • Transactions can opt-in to use a more secure way to sign transactions.
    Without making transactions larger, more information is being used in the creation of the signature which will allow a number of new features immediately. These include malleability fixes, hardware wallet security and replay-protection.
Bitcoin Classic will support the UAHF chain with a special release soon.

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Re: Bitcoin Classic and the User-Activated-Hardfork (UAHF).

Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:54 pm

So, is this UAHF happening for certain, regardless of what happens on the SegWit2x chain?
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Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:35 pm

So, is this UAHF happening for certain, regardless of what happens on the SegWit2x chain?
The SW 2x chain is a lot of fighting, I can't even keep track of who is accusing whom of what. Its all over and we already see the first big players ask via twitter polls if they should drop the idea of following through onto the 2MB part... Its sad, why would they (BTCC) agree to a compromise (the NYA) only to publicly drop support for the part they don't like when the part you were after seems within reach. How can you work with partners like that?

Yeah, I'd hope that the UAHF will happen. It would be good to leave all those fights behind.

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Re: Bitcoin Classic and the User-Activated-Hardfork (UAHF).

Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:44 pm

Tom,

Bitcoin will only "lose everything" when it is mutable, not absolute.

Segwit is mutable, not absolute.
Segwit could destroy Bitcoin.
Segwit soft fork far more open to code failure.
If satoshi was correct, hash power will never run it.

Can't you and bu work together, no bells or whistles. Just block size increase, as craig wright explained recently?

If you do this planned split without hash power, you are going against the very thing you and me are fighting for, probably.
i applaud your efforts to move Bitcoin forward Tom, but not like this, sorry.
(your not the first group here i have to explain this to. everyone wants their own spin-off wtf))

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Re: Bitcoin Classic and the User-Activated-Hardfork (UAHF).

Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:05 am

So, is this UAHF happening for certain, regardless of what happens on the SegWit2x chain?
The SW 2x chain is a lot of fighting, I can't even keep track of who is accusing whom of what. Its all over and we already see the first big players ask via twitter polls if they should drop the idea of following through onto the 2MB part... Its sad, why would they (BTCC) agree to a compromise (the NYA) only to publicly drop support for the part they don't like when the part you were after seems within reach. How can you work with partners like that?

Yeah, I'd hope that the UAHF will happen. It would be good to leave all those fights behind.
No, I don't think it works like that. Bitmain's UAHF will only be launched in response to a successful BIP148 UASF. Thus Segwit needs to have gained a significant hash rate for the UAHF to occur.
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Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:08 am

[*] Block-size limit is enlarged.
We get a large breath of fresh air. The limit of 1 MB is removed and miners will mine up to 2 MB blocks. We allow for future growth without additional protocol upgrades until 8 MB.
Max protocol is not limited to 8 MB through this Hard Fork. For the longer term, Bitmain lays out a “future roadmap” that includes a version of Segregated Witness, Extension Blocks, Bitcoin NG, Lumino, Schnorr signatures, Weak Blocks, and Bitcoin Unlimited-inspired base block size increases up to almost 17 megabytes in two years.

But when you look at it practically, such a roadmap is not very accurate.
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Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:41 am

Like everyone but the paid trolls, I'm tired of the fighting.
I look forward to the market solving this and I applaud your efforts Tom.
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Re: Bitcoin Classic and the User-Activated-Hardfork (UAHF).

Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:38 pm


If satoshi was correct, hash power will never run it.
Serious question for you: If Satoshi is wrong in this case (I'm not implying he would be right or wrong), then what does that mean for your nostalgic view of Satoshi?

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Re: Bitcoin Classic and the User-Activated-Hardfork (UAHF).

Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:40 pm

Like everyone but the paid trolls
^^ Just curious, who are these paid trolls you are referring to?

I'm tired of the fighting.
I look forward to the market solving this
^^ I agree 100% with you Roger.

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Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:51 pm


If satoshi was correct, hash power will never run it.
Serious question for you: If Satoshi is wrong in this case (I'm not implying he would be right or wrong), then what does that mean for your nostalgic view of Satoshi?
It would mean that despite satoshi's best efforts, a majority of miners were corrupted by stupidity and gullibility.
Bitcoin failed.

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Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:58 pm


If satoshi was correct, hash power will never run it.
Serious question for you: If Satoshi is wrong in this case (I'm not implying he would be right or wrong), then what does that mean for your nostalgic view of Satoshi?
It would mean that despite satoshi's best efforts, a majority of miners were corrupted by stupidity and gullibility.
Bitcoin failed.
Such fatalism.

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Re: Bitcoin Classic and the User-Activated-Hardfork (UAHF).

Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:41 pm

Like everyone but the paid trolls, I'm tired of the fighting.
I look forward to the market solving this and I applaud your efforts Tom.

Tired of trolls? But you pay the trolls obviously. So what is true now?


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Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:27 pm

Tired of trolls? But you pay the trolls obviously. So what is true now?
That's rich, considering you get paid to troll this forum.
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Re: Bitcoin Classic and the User-Activated-Hardfork (UAHF).

Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:26 pm

Tired of trolls? But you pay the trolls obviously. So what is true now?
So because some random person on the internet says I pay trolls, you believe it?

Here is my own statement: "I've never hired a PR company or anyone else to do social media manipulation, astroturfing or anything of the sort"

You can now decide if you want to believe baseless claims from random people on the internet, or myself.
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