999 dice NOT SCAMM

[dina.ameliah]

why all people said dice999 scam????
you must smart play in here [Link Removed]
my proof in pictures 3 account making money all

http://prntscr.com/91mpw0

http://prntscr.com/91mqcj

[rhavar]

Just because you won, doesn't prove not a scam. Perhaps you "should've" won a lot more?

The thing is, no one can tell if it is or isn't a scam is because despite their claims to the contrary they are not provably fair like the vast majority of bitcoin casinos. This is because they've "backdoored" the provably fair with "bet number", an id they control. (Something I've never seen in another casino). They could be fair, or could make you win, or could make you lose. We simply have no way of knowing. For all intents and purposes, you have to completely blindly trust their roll outcomes.

The other concerning thing is, they claim to support 40 BTC max wins which the kelly criterion would tell us would require a 40000 BTC bankroll to sanely support. If they had a < 20000 BTC or less bankroll, they would be experiencing negative expected bankroll growth if someone max bets. Previously on bitcointalk Stunna (owner of the respected, and actually provably fair casino primedice.com) challenged them to prove their bankroll, which 999dice promised to do but then never did. The shady reputation of this site is well deserved.

[bitkilo]

I have removed the link to to this site from OP.
The discussion can go on as to weather 999 dice is a scam or not.

[SandWish]

That site is pure scam, you can tell by the fact of the autobet you cannot even check where it's going to where it starts.

[dina.ameliah]

thx for removed my links

[Seuntjie]

I usually keep out of these kind of discussions so I can keep a positive/neutral relationship with as many site owners and players as possible, but I do want to clear something up about 999dice quickly:

999dice's provably fair method, is. A common misconception about their provably fair algorithm is the roll number. The roll number is the position of the number in a batch of 200. For single rolls, the roll number is always 0, NOT the bet id as many people assume. When using the "auto roll" function, that can place up to 200 bets at a time, the roll number is 0 for the first bet, 1 for the second bet .... 199 for the 200th bet. the bet id is NOT used for RNG in any way. As long as you manually set your client seed for every bet, the house has no way of manipulating your rolls.

sandwish if you click on the roll number of an autobet batch roll thing, you can see the rolls of each bet in the batch, check what happened and verify that you did make the correct profit.


note: I don't like 999dices provably fair method, nor their autobet function. I think it leaves a few things to be desired, but as long as the player is careful and actually changes his client seed, their method is provably fair. If you feel that it is not or that the site is cheating, then I suggest you record/log your bets and prove it. Accusing a site of scamming juts makes you look like a sore loser. Proving it, with valid evidence and explanations, is another story.


Edit: I'm probably going to get a lot of flak for this comment, but so be it.

[creationlayer]

I usually keep out of these kind of discussions so I can keep a positive/neutral relationship with as many site owners and players as possible, but I do want to clear something up about 999dice quickly:

999dice's provably fair method, is. A common misconception about their provably fair algorithm is the roll number. The roll number is the position of the number in a batch of 200. For single rolls, the roll number is always 0, NOT the bet id as many people assume. When using the "auto roll" function, that can place up to 200 bets at a time, the roll number is 0 for the first bet, 1 for the second bet .... 199 for the 200th bet. the bet id is NOT used for RNG in any way. As long as you manually set your client seed for every bet, the house has no way of manipulating your rolls.

sandwish if you click on the roll number of an autobet batch roll thing, you can see the rolls of each bet in the batch, check what happened and verify that you did make the correct profit.


note: I don't like 999dices provably fair method, nor their autobet function. I think it leaves a few things to be desired, but as long as the player is careful and actually changes his client seed, their method is provably fair. If you feel that it is not or that the site is cheating, then I suggest you record/log your bets and prove it. Accusing a site of scamming juts makes you look like a sore loser. Proving it, with valid evidence and explanations, is another story.


Edit: I'm probably going to get a lot of flak for this comment, but so be it.

It's fair, I'd say other posters can back up claims, maybe you can expand upon on any details of why you dispute/support claims. We're not here to censor users but our job is not to verify claims, but to offer a "forum" for discussion. If you simply state it is or isn't a scam, that's not really supplying any context, and I think there are some decent points here to respond to.

[rhavar]

I usually keep out of these kind of discussions so I can keep a positive/neutral relationship with as many site owners and players as possible, but I do want to clear something up about 999dice quickly:

999dice's provably fair method, is. A common misconception about their provably fair algorithm is the roll number. The roll number is the position of the number in a batch of 200. For single rolls, the roll number is always 0, NOT the bet id as many people assume. When using the "auto roll" function, that can place up to 200 bets at a time, the roll number is 0 for the first bet, 1 for the second bet .... 199 for the 200th bet. the bet id is NOT used for RNG in any way. As long as you manually set your client seed for every bet, the house has no way of manipulating your rolls.

sandwish if you click on the roll number of an autobet batch roll thing, you can see the rolls of each bet in the batch, check what happened and verify that you did make the correct profit.


note: I don't like 999dices provably fair method, nor their autobet function. I think it leaves a few things to be desired, but as long as the player is careful and actually changes his client seed, their method is provably fair. If you feel that it is not or that the site is cheating, then I suggest you record/log your bets and prove it. Accusing a site of scamming juts makes you look like a sore loser. Proving it, with valid evidence and explanations, is another story.


Edit: I'm probably going to get a lot of flak for this comment, but so be it.

Thanks for posting this, I stand corrected. I just checked, and you're absolutely right and I was able to verify some bets I made with the faucet.