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The only forums that support Core and the current dev team are the censored ones.

Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:32 am

Recently I attended the Bitcoin conference in London.
For the first time I was able to chat a bit with Valery Vavilov, the CEO of Bitfury. To my surprise he was completely unaware of the censorship that has been going on in the bitcoin ecosystem, and asked me to send him some examples of it.

The text below is based off of the email I sent him explaining the current situation.

Hi Valery,

It was very nice to talk with you a bit in London.
I was very surprised to hear that you weren’t aware of the censorship that is going on in the Bitcoin ecosystem.

The two earliest, and most popular English language bitcoin discussion platforms are:
1. https://bitcointalk.org/
2. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/

Along with Bitcoin.org, they are all controlled by Theymos, and are completely censored.
They don’t allow posts by anyone who supports bigger blocks, or any development teams other than Core and Blockstream.
They even removed Coinbase from Bitcoin.org due to their support for bigger blocks and teams other than Blockstream / Core.
Here are some examples of the blatant censorship from as recently as today:

/r/BTC Uncensored version: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5 ... as_spoken/
/r/Bitcoin Censored version of the exact same post: LINK (It was removed almost instantly)

Some other recent examples:
1. https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5 ... itcoin_it/
2. https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5 ... something/
3. https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5 ... in_can_be/
4. https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/sta ... 0969308160
https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/sta ... 3458902016
5. https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4 ... _coinbase/

And a photo of a link to my very own article that was removed intentionally by Theymos because my conclusions are different than his:
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Myself, Brian Armstrong the CEO of Coinbase, and many others can’t even post there, and have openly called for Reddit's CEO to change the moderation team of /r/Bitcoin to allow open discussion again.

%100 of the forums that allow open discussion clearly support moving to bigger blocks and to a team other than Blockstream and Core.

Here are some examples of that:

1. https://bitcoin.consider.it/
2. http://bitcoinocracy.com/
3. https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/

The only forums that support Core and the current dev team are the censored ones.

Many members of Core / Blockstream openly support the censorship, and the ones that don’t remain basically silent on the issue.

I think that shows clearly that we can’t and shouldn’t trust them to maintain Bitcoin as an open financial network.

I hope this new information is as concerning to you as it is to the rest of the Bitcoin community.
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Re: The only forums that support Core and the current dev team are the censored ones.

Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:54 pm


Many members of Core / Blockstream openly support the censorship,
Citation needed of the names and statements from these core developers or employees of blockstream. The most I have seen thus far are very nuanced views from only a few core developers on "moderation" where they clearly say they have no control over theymos and have mixed feelings on the matter . Some core developers have strongly denounced Theymos's censorship as well.

Core developers even have gone out of their way to distance themselves from Theymos by creating a completely new website and slack communication channel outside of Theymos's control--

https://bitcoincore.org
https://bitcoincore.slack.com
I think that shows clearly that we can’t and shouldn’t trust them to maintain Bitcoin as an open financial network.
Since Core is an Open source project with many volunteers coming from different backgrounds and associated with different companies it is shocking to hear you make this generalization. It is misleading because you cannot assume to understand the mind of silent core developers, most of whom want nothing to do with reddit in general or drama and simply want to code in peace, and because there have been some who have spoken out against Theymos's censorship. This is an embarrassing new low for you Roger, but I will hold back any more of my statements until you start producing substantial evidence that at least a majority of core developers are in favor of censorship.

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Re: The only forums that support Core and the current dev team are the censored ones.

Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:06 pm

Nobody uses Slack and nobody will.

They created a site and Slack after Classic did it.

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Re: The only forums that support Core and the current dev team are the censored ones.

Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:38 pm

Nobody uses Slack and nobody will.
??? https://bitcoincore.slack.com is actually really active 24 hours a day; more active than this forum is for sure.

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Re: The only forums that support Core and the current dev team are the censored ones.

Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:11 pm


Many members of Core / Blockstream openly support the censorship,
Citation needed of the names and statements from these core developers or employees of blockstream. The most I have seen thus far are very nuanced views from only a few core developers on "moderation" where they clearly say they have no control over theymos and have mixed feelings on the matter . Some core developers have strongly denounced Theymos's censorship as well.

Core developers even have gone out of their way to distance themselves from Theymos by creating a completely new website and slack communication channel outside of Theymos's control--

https://bitcoincore.org
https://bitcoincore.slack.com
I think that shows clearly that we can’t and shouldn’t trust them to maintain Bitcoin as an open financial network.
Since Core is an Open source project with many volunteers coming from different backgrounds and associated with different companies it is shocking to hear you make this generalization. It is misleading because you cannot assume to understand the mind of silent core developers, most of whom want nothing to do with reddit in general or drama and simply want to code in peace, and because there have been some who have spoken out against Theymos's censorship. This is an embarrassing new low for you Roger, but I will hold back any more of my statements until you start producing substantial evidence that at least a majority of core developers are in favor of censorship.
Sick of your lies, we have all witnessed the censorship, thousands of people. Go read the complaints thread.

Today, you have bigger problems, you crooks:

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Re: The only forums that support Core and the current dev team are the censored ones.

Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:12 am



Since Core is an Open source project with many volunteers coming from different backgrounds and associated with different companies it is shocking to hear you make this generalization. It is misleading because you cannot assume to understand the mind of silent core developers, most of whom want nothing to do with reddit in general or drama and simply want to code in peace, and because there have been some who have spoken out against Theymos's censorship. This is an embarrassing new low for you Roger, but I will hold back any more of my statements until you start producing substantial evidence that at least a majority of core developers are in favor of censorship.
I really feel sorry for you , there are thousands of innocent people like you have been fall into this scheme for years without discovering what is really happening. But that is understandable, anyway, over 1 billion people in China believing that they are living in the best country in the world! Some people's worshipping for core devs always remind me Chinese people's worshipping for their communist elite leaders

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Re: The only forums that support Core and the current dev team are the censored ones.

Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:30 pm

Some people's worshipping for core devs always remind me Chinese people's worshipping for their communist elite leaders
Samson Mow has caused a lot of problems in the industry, unfortunately. Most Chinese in Bitcoin have publicly said they want nothing to do with him. His company is involved with Blockstream.

Everyone else is interested in working together, not to capture the flag.
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