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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:05 pm

They get the transaction fees on LN. So they're taking Bitcoin away from the developing world (who need p2p more than anyone else) and using it for their own financial gain while censoring, manipulating and visibly misleading the community to think what they are doing is the original vision of Satoshi.
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:09 pm

Bitcoin approx avg transaction fee, in USD terms, has increased 206.8%
"since Jan. 31, from $0.073 to $0.224" - Jeff Garzik
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:10 pm

blockstream core has gone deranged,
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:12 pm

You ain't seen nothing yet.
"In the next months we are going to see much bigger fee-waves. Would have been nice if we had some kind of scaling solution by now." - seweso
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:17 pm

you don't keep convicted burglars and robbers out of jail so we can keep improving security systems.
"Why would we keep these guys around who have been trying to steal Bitcoin out from under the users? Cool, they can write code. So can a lot of other people without nefarious intentions." - PMmeyourBitcoins
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:22 pm

The utility (scale and usage) of Bitcoin is what gives it value and that value increases when the exchange rate goes up.
"Removing utility when transactions stop confirming will only make the exchange rate go down.

This is why a fee market is bad for Bitcoin at this stage in the game, and isn't needed for several decades. c++ developers making economic decisions is a bad idea." - Annapurna317
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:25 pm

Oh, and I think now's the time to ditch them completely.
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:38 pm

The idea that raising the block size to 2 MB is going to some how destroy or harm Bitcoin is insane.
"The original block size was 32MB and Satoshi believed there didn't nee to be a limit at all in the long term. Even people who are now fighting tooth and nail to keep the 1MB block size have said in the past they had no problem raising it and it would be fine. The only thing that has changed for those people is that they now work for a company who wants to hold the block size hostage as a way to force things like segwit into Bitcoin which they absolutely need in order to implement their company's business plan of a proprietary off chain transaction system.

Because they managed to gain control of most of the traditional Bitcion discussion forums they have been able to control the narrative about block size and spread lies, nonsense, and misinformation about efforts to raise it." - moYouKnow
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:39 pm

Indeed.
"There was a strong majority for on-chain scaling by the ecosystem businesses before Blockstream hijacked Core." - solex1
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:41 pm

exchanges
"all want 2mb+" - pazdan
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:48 pm

Small Transaction Rejected
"I just tried to send $.01USD from my coinbase wallet, but it threw an error message saying that it was too small to be accepted by the network.

Wth is going on here? Is this just a coinbase thing? I thought one of the advantages of btc was supposed to be that you can send very small amounts. thx!" - omitinimo
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:52 pm

To send that $0.01
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:54 pm

It does make me uncomfortable that we are approaching similar levels of fee's as other payment processors so soon.
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:56 pm

High volume, low fee
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:57 pm

Exactly, no point in having 10 people pay $10 for a fee
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:35 pm

Complaints from users, Day 19 & 20 (05/07/2016):

The bitcoin net has been operating at full capacity for a long time.
"The appeal to upgrade of bitcoin agreements has been lasting for more than one year. However, some developers of Bitcoin Core for example have been repelling against such upgrade." - LightningHuang
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:36 pm

A lot of people here want the same as you.
"To increase the blocksize limit. It's very interesting to get your perspective from China." - shludvigsen2
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:38 pm

Based on the chart of transactions confirmed per day, I would say that the 1 MB block size limit started to have an effect only about 1 year ago, when the "stress tests" caused unexpected delays and appear to have driven some users away.
"The capacity limit became a persistent problem only 6 months ago, when "traffic jams" due to normal (?) traffic became recurrent. They seem to have slowed down and finally halted the growth of the traffic. Other people have reported increasing average delays, and average fees of 0.20 USD/tx or more." - jstolfi
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:40 pm

Through Blockstream, Bitcoin is under the direct influence of profit-seeking and status-quo-preserving forces. Bitcoin is in the hands of technocrats who seem incapable of being guided by the principles and social dynamics you identified.
"Bitcoin communications are impaired by heavy censorship aimed at the uninitiated.

But if you saw the truth anyway, there is hope." - biosense
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:41 pm

There is nothing wrong with seeking profit.
"There is something wrong with monopolizing an open-source protocol, destroying it, and reshaping it in your own interests." - jeanduluoz
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:24 pm

Why a decentralized system would be under the control of one small group? Are they the bitcoin creators? Even satoshi did not intend to govern the system development.
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:26 pm

It's far more likely that Bitcoin just fails to launch and only ends up as a sad lesson to others about poor governance and developer arrogance.
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:27 pm

This is my mindset now, I am not upset about anymore,
"If Bitcoin got corrupted away form its original vision because of a temporary patch, that mean that any cryptocurrency that has any weakness in the code then that weakness will be exploited to gain control over it.

Sadly that might mean that Bitcoin will fail and the cryptocurrency ideal will survive in another projet, with hopefully a code mature enough so that nobody can gain control over it.

We may be many.. Many years ago from cryptocurrency mainstream adoption.." - Ant-n
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:29 pm

Yup.
"Better coded alts are going to steamroll over Bitcoin very soon (they already are, look at ETH vs. BTC performance since presale in spite of the DAO attack) if Bitcoin fails to accommodate more users at the non-zero prices they're willing to pay." - RobertEvanston
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:31 pm

A lesson as old as time,
"if you don't/it doesn't give users what they want, they'll find someone/something that will." - ferretinjapan
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:48 pm

I know for certain that Bitcoin Core is not that balance.
"And they are not only not balanced in the blocksize direction. They are not balanced in a lot of other ways..." - awemany
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:49 pm

I have seen interactions with them for many years now and there is a lot what went down in the mean time.
"There is a lot of history. I have seen enough." - awemany
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:52 pm

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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:53 pm

There has always been a market for tx fees.
"This is an artificially manipulated fee market that is not in natural equilibrium." - jeanduluoz
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:55 pm

Fees should determine blocksize,
"not the other way around." - seweso
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