It's official. Bitcoins are now being used in prisons.

[rogerver]

Joseph had been purchasing fentanyl from China by way of an associate in a Canadian prison who arranged the bitcoin transactions with a smuggled cellphone.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/a ... 8-fentanyl

[CryptoJeweler]

Hi,

Sad News. Really need strict regulations for BTC.

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

[bitkilo]

Hi,

Sad News. Really need strict regulations for BTC.

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

I would not say this is sad news, i would say good news.
Who cares what he was buying with it. He has been locked up in a cage for a victimless crime to begin with and the product he purchased from that cage using bitcoin was not even illegal in the US.

Nobody should ever be locked up for using drugs because nobody else should be able to say what you can and can't put in your own body.
Freedom is what it is all about.

[nandibear]

Hi,

Sad News. Really need strict regulations for BTC.

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

Why would you write that? Why would you think that?

I rate your comment a negative -20

[bitkilo]

Hi,

Sad News. Really need strict regulations for BTC.

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

Why would you write that? Why would you think that?

I rate your comment a negative -20

I also had to give that post a negative rating.

This member obviously doesn't understand what bitcoin is all about.

[Fremont]

Hi,

Sad News. Really need strict regulations for BTC.

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

Whilst I strongly disagree with your thoughts on the need for regulation (any regulation, in any market or industry), I'd be very interested in hearing your reasoning as to why you believe that strict regulations for Bitcoin would be useful in this instance. Opposite viewpoints are always good to take in; they allow us an opportunity to refine our own arguments and perhaps open our minds a little more!

Thanks!

Fremont

[nandibear]

Whilst I strongly disagree with your thoughts on the need for regulation (any regulation, in any market or industry), I'd be very interested in hearing your reasoning as to why you believe that strict regulations for Bitcoin would be useful in this instance. Opposite viewpoints are always good to take in; they allow us an opportunity to refine our own arguments and perhaps open our minds a little more!

Thanks!

Fremont

Well stated.

I categorically agree that opposite viewpoints should always be welcomed (and not just here at the forum but everywhere in life). I'm an opened minded individual and an advocate of free speech.

While I rate CryptoJeweler's comment a negative -20 (the only negative rating that I've ever given here at the forum) I also welcome and implore them to share more of their thoughts and views here at the forum.

[BitcoinXio]

Guys, just because you disagree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you should be abusing the reputation points system. -20 points or -7 points for a single comment shouldn't be warranted because you disagree with them, unless it was some sort of extremely inflammatory post or spam.

[Fremont]

Guys, just because you disagree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you should be abusing the reputation points system. -20 points or -7 points for a single comment shouldn't be warranted because you disagree with them, unless it was some sort of extremely inflammatory post or spam.

^I agree with this entirely!

[nandibear]

Guys, just because you disagree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you should be abusing the reputation points system. -20 points or -7 points for a single comment shouldn't be warranted because you disagree with them, unless it was some sort of extremely inflammatory post or spam.

I don't see how a negative 7 would be considered as abusing the reputation points system.

Myself, I've rated single comments with positive 10s several times in the past.

Moreover, I would have rated positive 20s in the past but hadn't yet earned enough rating power to do so (until recently).

If I've been rating single comments with double digit positives then I don't understand why a double digit negative would be considered abuse.

If you disagree please explain why. Thanks

[bitkilo]

Guys, just because you disagree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you should be abusing the reputation points system. -20 points or -7 points for a single comment shouldn't be warranted because you disagree with them, unless it was some sort of extremely inflammatory post or spam.

The reputation system does need some improving.
I gave a negative rating because i did not agree with the comments made by that member. It is not a trust system and i think "reputation" is not what the rating system we have should be called.

Alternatively what we need is a sort of "up" and "down" vote option where a member could either agree or disagree with the post in question and then comment in their own post as to why they have a different opinion.

I rated the post negative because i didn't agree that we need strong regulations with bitcoin, my rating actually has nothing to do with the reputation of the user but is the only option available besides posting comments.

I see how this could effect users due to the system we have in place being called "Reputation" and will look into changing this.

I don't see the negative ratings given as abusing the reputation points system.

[nandibear]

Guys, just because you disagree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you should be abusing the reputation points system. -20 points or -7 points for a single comment shouldn't be warranted because you disagree with them, unless it was some sort of extremely inflammatory post or spam.

It should also be noted that before you or Fremont posted comments here on this thread that I also rated the following positive points here on this thread for the above comments by:

Roverver - 10 positive

Bitkilo - 10 positive

Bitkilo - 5 positive

A total of 25 positives (and two of those were 10 each for single comments)

And then when Fremont posted his first comment I rated it with a 5 positive.

So how is the negative 20 considered abuse?

[Fremont]

I don't see how a negative 7 would be considered as abusing the reputation points system.

Myself, I've rated single comments with positive 10s several times in the past.

Moreover, I would have rated positive 20s in the past but hadn't yet earned enough rating power to do so (until recently).

If I've been rating single comments with double digit positives then I don't understand why a double digit negative would be considered abuse.

If you disagree please explain why. Thanks

Personally, I disagree. I think the reputation system may need an overhaul / some tweaking; that many reputation points in both a positive or a negative fashion unfortunately leaves the system open to abuse by people who may wish to scam newer users by creating shill accounts, building their post count and issuing reputation points out to make their accounts look highly credible. They could then much more easily scam new users during trades etc. as the newer user will see someone with a high reputation count and consider them automatically trustworthy. Similarly, a user with a high post count could decimate the reputation of other users by issuing large numbers of negative reputation points. A discussion has been started among the moderators and I guess we'll see what direction that takes us, if any?

The reputation system does need some improving.
I gave a negative rating because i did not agree with the comments made by that member. It is not a trust system and i think "reputation" is not what the rating system we have should be called.

Alternatively what we need is a sort of "up" and "down" vote option where a member could either agree or disagree with the post in question and then comment in their own post as to why they have a different opinion.

I rated the post negative because i didn't agree that we need strong regulations with bitcoin, my rating actually has nothing to do with the reputation of the user but is the only option available besides posting comments.

I see how this could effect users due to the system we have in place being called "Reputation" and will look into changing this.

I don't see the negative ratings given as abusing the reputation points system.

You're right in that it's not a trust system but I think the majority of users will view it as such. "Reputation" is perhaps not the best name for it, and an upvote / downvote system may indeed be an improvement.

I don't think there's a real issue with the fact that negative ratings are being given out, I think it's more that it was somewhat shocking to some of us to see one poster get -27 "reputation" points after posting his/her opinion. That doesn't stifle discussion, of course, but it gives the outward appearance of doing so in that people may feel they'll get excessive negative reputation points simply for stating their opinion which may lead to them self-censoring themselves if they feel their post will hurt their 'rep'. I don't know about anybody else but that's not the kind of atmosphere I like to experience on any forum, much less one that's Bitcoin centric.

Guys, just because you disagree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you should be abusing the reputation points system. -20 points or -7 points for a single comment shouldn't be warranted because you disagree with them, unless it was some sort of extremely inflammatory post or spam.

It should also be noted that before you or Fremont posted comments here on this thread that I also rated the following positive points here on this thread for the above comments by:

Roverver - 10 positive

Bitkilo - 10 positive

Bitkilo - 5 positive

A total of 25 positives (and two of those were 10 each for single comments)

And then when Fremont posted his first comment I rated it with a 5 positive.

So how is the negative 20 considered abuse?

I think it's more-so the fact that negative reputation points stand out a lot more than positive reputation points on forums like this. As users, I don't think any of us really notice an excess of positive points once we go past a certain level but I think if our accounts were to have negative points - even just a few - we'd definitely notice it and be mindful of it.

Definitely something that needs looking at though I reckon!

Fremont

[BitcoinXio]

Guys, just because you disagree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you should be abusing the reputation points system. -20 points or -7 points for a single comment shouldn't be warranted because you disagree with them, unless it was some sort of extremely inflammatory post or spam.

I don't see how a negative 7 would be considered as abusing the reputation points system.

Myself, I've rated single comments with positive 10s several times in the past.

Moreover, I would have rated positive 20s in the past but hadn't yet earned enough rating power to do so (until recently).

If I've been rating single comments with double digit positives then I don't understand why a double digit negative would be considered abuse.

If you disagree please explain why. Thanks

To me it's nonsensical to give someone such an extreme negative (or positive) rating, as it just defeats the purpose of the points system. If I disagree with your posts, and I give you -20 for each one all of sudden your going to have a few hundred negative points. What purpose does that serve other than to give the rest of the forum the appearance that your a troll, spammer, scammer, or just an untrustworthy person? From what I have seen of your posts this is not the case at all - I'm just giving you a scenario, of what someone could do if they simply disagree with them. All I am saying is that we should be more honest with ourselves and say, just because I disagree does this deserve that many negative (or positive) points.

[nandibear]

Guys, just because you disagree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you should be abusing the reputation points system. -20 points or -7 points for a single comment shouldn't be warranted because you disagree with them, unless it was some sort of extremely inflammatory post or spam.

I don't see how a negative 7 would be considered as abusing the reputation points system.

Myself, I've rated single comments with positive 10s several times in the past.

Moreover, I would have rated positive 20s in the past but hadn't yet earned enough rating power to do so (until recently).

If I've been rating single comments with double digit positives then I don't understand why a double digit negative would be considered abuse.

If you disagree please explain why. Thanks

To me it's nonsensical to give someone such an extreme negative (or positive) rating, as it just defeats the purpose of the points system. If I disagree with your posts, and I give you -20 for each one all of sudden your going to have a few hundred negative points. What purpose does that serve other than to give the rest of the forum the appearance that your a troll, spammer, scammer, or just an untrustworthy person? From what I have seen of your posts this is not the case at all - I'm just giving you a scenario, of what someone could do if they simply disagree with them. All I am saying is that we should be more honest with ourselves and say, just because I disagree does this deserve that many negative (or positive) points.

To keep peace here at the forum I will try to stick to a 1 thru 5 range for comment ratings.

I've only given out one (1) negative rating. I'm much more interested in rating with positive points.

[CryptoJeweler]

Hi,

Sad News. Really need strict regulations for BTC.

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

Why would you write that? Why would you think that?

I rate your comment a negative -20

I also had to give that post a negative rating.

This member obviously doesn't understand what bitcoin is all about.

Hi Nandibear,

Thank you for your feedback. What i meant by this is that, there should be some regulations which can make sure that BTC should not be used by terrorists for their benefits.

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

[CryptoJeweler]

Hi,

Sad News. Really need strict regulations for BTC.

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

Whilst I strongly disagree with your thoughts on the need for regulation (any regulation, in any market or industry), I'd be very interested in hearing your reasoning as to why you believe that strict regulations for Bitcoin would be useful in this instance. Opposite viewpoints are always good to take in; they allow us an opportunity to refine our own arguments and perhaps open our minds a little more!

Thanks!

Fremont

Hi Fremont,

Thank you for your feedback. Actually my intention was to talk about BTC regulation and make improvements in it.
you can check it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_ ... by_country

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

[LiteCoinGuy]

Why would you write that? Why would you think that?

I rate your comment a negative -20

I also had to give that post a negative rating.

This member obviously doesn't understand what bitcoin is all about.

Hi Nandibear,

Thank you for your feedback. What i meant by this is that, there should be some regulations which can make sure that BTC should not be used by terrorists for their benefits.

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

in a dream-world that would be good. but there should be also some regulations which can make sure that Dollars & Euros are not used by terrorists for their benefits. lets work on that one first because that is causing 99,999% of the evil.

[CryptoJeweler]

I also had to give that post a negative rating.

This member obviously doesn't understand what bitcoin is all about.

Hi Nandibear,

Thank you for your feedback. What i meant by this is that, there should be some regulations which can make sure that BTC should not be used by terrorists for their benefits.

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

in a dream-world that would be good. but there should be also some regulations which can make sure that Dollars & Euros are not used by terrorists for their benefits. lets work on that one first because that is causing 99,999% of the evil.

Hi LiteCoinGuy,

I Really Appreciated your response. Moreover i am 200% agreed that there should be also some regulations which can make sure that Dollars & Euros are not used by terrorists for their benefits.

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

[nandibear]

... Moreover i am 200% agreed that there should be also some regulations which can make sure that Dollars & Euros are not used by terrorists for their benefits.

Terrorists?

lol, are you serious?

[nandibear]

... Moreover i am 200% agreed that there should be also some regulations which can make sure that Dollars & Euros are not used by terrorists for their benefits.

I've had enough of giving up liberty to supposedly feel safer. No thanks George Bush.

[bitkilo]

Hi Nandibear,

Thank you for your feedback. What i meant by this is that, there should be some regulations which can make sure that BTC should not be used by terrorists for their benefits.

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

in a dream-world that would be good. but there should be also some regulations which can make sure that Dollars & Euros are not used by terrorists for their benefits. lets work on that one first because that is causing 99,999% of the evil.

Hi LiteCoinGuy,

I Really Appreciated your response. Moreover i am 200% agreed that there should be also some regulations which can make sure that Dollars & Euros are not used by terrorists for their benefits.

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

What sort of regulations do you think the governments should impose so as Dollars & Euros are not being used to fund terrorism?
Don't you think we already have enough red tape to cut through if we want to send a friend some money? Try sending over 10k and you will have all sorts of explaining to do, most of which is none of any governments business.

[rogerver]

What sort of regulations do you think the governments should impose so as Dollars & Euros are not being used to fund terrorism?

I think by definition, all governments are terrorists.

Every single government on the planet intimidates its citizens to obey, by threatening them with violence if they don't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

[CryptoJeweler]

in a dream-world that would be good. but there should be also some regulations which can make sure that Dollars & Euros are not used by terrorists for their benefits. lets work on that one first because that is causing 99,999% of the evil.

Hi LiteCoinGuy,

I Really Appreciated your response. Moreover i am 200% agreed that there should be also some regulations which can make sure that Dollars & Euros are not used by terrorists for their benefits.

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

What sort of regulations do you think the governments should impose so as Dollars & Euros are not being used to fund terrorism?
Don't you think we already have enough red tape to cut through if we want to send a friend some money? Try sending over 10k and you will have all sorts of explaining to do, most of which is none of any governments business.

Hi Bitkilo,

Thank you for your response.
Yes agreed, but policies are always changing to adopt positive improvements .

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/201 ... /76609730/

Thank you
CryptoJeweler

[CryptoJeweler]

... Moreover i am 200% agreed that there should be also some regulations which can make sure that Dollars & Euros are not used by terrorists for their benefits.

Terrorists?

lol, are you serious?

Hi Nandibar,

Thank you for your feedback.
Sorry for the confusion and yes i am serious.

Banking Regulation To Watch In 2016:

http://www.law360.com/articles/735924/b ... ch-in-2016

Thank you
CryptoJeweler