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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:44 am

Complaints from users, Day 65 (10/09/2016):

/r/bitcoin moderators are banning people who expose and/or disagree
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:46 am

/r/Bitcoin mods make up the rules or ridiculous rule interpretations as they suit them. My second perma-ban from there has never been explained.
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:48 am

the r/bitcoin mods are a joke and should be ashamed of themselves, I had contributed to that sub for years with nothing but helpfulness.
"It's also kind of funny in a sad way that they use censorship to try to hide evidence to censorship so that people can't read others saying there is censorship." - zcc0nonA
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:02 am

I just tried to send bitcoin for the first time in a year to fund my virtual card and mycelium is saying 21p for a normal fee!
"What the hell happened? All I want to do is pay for Google drive with my Wirex card (to avoid international fees from the UK). I knew fees had gone up, but I didn't realise this much!" - AgrajagPrime
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:04 am

This is what happens when the blocksize is artificially limited in order to promote off chain solutions
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:05 am

Bitcoin fee's will only increase from here out, if you want cheaper or free transactions
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:07 am

waiting to remove the block size limit seems stupid
"I want bitcoin to scale to 1 billion people with the ability to do 10 transaction per day, that equals 143.3GB/block or 238Mbps

I say remove the blocksize limit completely, a 1GB block would cost 600bitcoins today, go ahead and do a tx dos, the miners will be happy, 1GB/block would take 13.3Mbps

65% of the world has atleast 4Mbps, that would lead to blocks of 278.6MB " - Gaby_64
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:26 pm

Complaints from users, Day 66 (12/09/2016):

MultiSig seemed to have failed to reach an audience beside exchanges using bitgo's wallet, because its implementation is simply unusable for most people. Even exchanges prefer to pay a fee to bitgo than building it by itself. The idea that lightning will reach a mass market after the multisig-failure
"is horribly failing to touch reality. " - CBergmann
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:30 pm

all that centralization you're complaining about is the result of the 1MB cap.
" increase the blocksize to bring in more users and you will see increases in mining, merchants, and nodes." - hodls
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:32 pm

Economic incentives will encourage the majority if not all LN traffic to be routed through well funded and highly connected LN hubs that already have channels open to most endpoints. It’s not difficult to imagine that most of these major hubs would be run by players that have existing payment infrastructure and relationships with businesses and users.
"In this context, we see a few very vocal people want to sacrifice Bitcoin’s native potential utility and capacity to keep maintenance costs low for someone who wants to run a full node in the jungles of Costa Rica… In the name of this jungle node we accept an overlay network where nearly all “Bitcoin” traffic ends up being routed through the LN hubs of BitPay, Blockchain.info, Blockstream, Coinbase, etc. P2P cash becomes P2Hub2P scrip. The very opposite of the decentralization they claim to be protecting. It also siphons tx fees from Bitcoin’s real security providers, the miners.

We are told that Bitcoin is sick, it’s weak, it can’t handle any more use… and, surprise! Those that are saying this and steering development to artificially incentivize uptake of payment contracts just so happen to be stockholders in companies that are going to be selling you the medicine for your disease! It’d be bad if Bitcoin had a monopoly on cryptographic value transfer, it’s disastrous in the fiercely competitive landscape we will face in the future. " - goatusher
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:56 pm

Wow! This is actually quite amazing! I had no idea that Core's transaction-generation code was so inefficient. I think this really highlights the benefit of having multiple competing implementations. Here we have a new implementation (Bitcoin Unlimited) with a culture focused on on-chain scaling, and so they find things that Core never found. Since Core wants Bitcoin to be a settlement network, their definition of "efficiency" is completely different from Unlimited's--both teams are trying to do completely different things.
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:58 pm

The scaling issue is not a technical one but a political one. Not all cryptos are under
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:00 pm

The narrative that 100s of Core contributors determine the development direction of Core and the protocol seems a bit dubious given how many regularly participate in development meetings and other open development discussions
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:01 pm

I am looking forward to learning the results from BU's testing with bigger blocks
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:02 pm

Although Core was contemplating a hard fork to reset difficulty in this case (AFAIK Luke Jr was working on it), a better solution would be
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:06 pm

Bitcoin already missed years of adoption because of this really non-issue. Who do you think has a massive interest in hindering adoption of a non-censored worldwide currency? And who is working on the cashless society,
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:09 pm

LN doesn't address scalability. It offloads its own operations, that's all. Non-LN usage (i.e. everyone today) doesn't benefit. LN doesn't address capacity in the same way. Non-LN use cases gain no capacity increases. At best, they reclaim space that goes unused by LN use cases.
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:10 pm

Lightning trades instant and / or free transactions for locked assets. What you gain in the front end,
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:12 pm

LN is not
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:13 am

Peter Rizun given the boot from Core Slack
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:15 am

Corecensorship at it's finest.
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:17 am

Blockstream wants all non-Core devs out of their way. Gavin Andresen, Mike Hearn,
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:36 pm

Complaints from users, Day 67 (13/09/2016):

"We should not change BTC to accommodate more users." - Current Bitcoin Core supporter and /r/Bitcoin moderator
"Today I was reading the chat logs from when Peter R was booted from a Core Slack channel. I could hardly believe anyone involved with Bitcoin could actually think such a thing. This seemed almost as shocking as the Core supporters at a recent Silicon Valley Bitcoin meetup telling people that they should use credit cards instead of Bitcoin for payments. I'm more than a bit stunned that Bitcoin has been partially taken over by people who think:

Bitcoin shouldn't change to accommodate more users.

People should be using credit cards instead of Bitcoin.

This is madness!" - MemoryDealers
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:39 pm

Could it be malice
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:40 pm

This pretty much sums up my opinion too. It's obvious that some are ringleaders that simply do not believe in Bitcoin as a fully decentralised system, but are hell bent on systematically destroying it if there's a chance they can turn it into a profit making exercise.
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:42 pm

Its indeed odd, I recently had a discussion with someone that was convinced growing too fast was going to be devastating to those that have a full node. I explained how you really don't need that much bandwidth.
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:44 pm

constantly loosing market shares
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:45 pm

A central committee fighting for decentralization by limiting the number of users of a good?
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:46 pm

Once you realize that BlockstreamCore are actually out to destroy bitcoin then you will get it. However they will be unsuccessful in destroying Crypto , no Alt-coin dev. team will allow these toxic people
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Re: Complaints from Bitcoin Users

Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:48 pm

It's obvious bitcoin has been hijacked by poeple not holding any bitcoin at all.
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