Complaints from Bitcoin Users

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Complaints from users, Day 59 (01/09/2016):

Remember when SegWit forked unexpectedly on testnet?

"Apparently Greg Maxwell doesn't." - MemoryDealers

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leave it up to gregory "tothemax" maxwell to takes things full throttle and lie through his teeth

"every chance he gets!" - blockologist

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he's gonna have serious psychological problems within the next 24 months , you can only bullshit for x amount of time before a lack of sleep affects basic brain function.

" Lies and BS keep people awake if they are not on medication." - the-goat-herder

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I have done the back and forth a while ago with the exact same results, very well thought out half non-answers and tons of misdirection.

"I am talking on the professional level here, well beyond most persons capabilities (keeping the story straight everywhere while providing very good non-answers that serve to add to the misdirection), but not impossible it is one very "smart" person that is completely blind to their actions because they ignorantly believe they know what is "best"" - DaSpawn

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I am sure it is a group of paid Trolls , operating over several forums. They try to wear people out. I like their games , they are sad little individuals whoever they are. I am starting to feel sorry for the real Gmax ,

"maybe they have him locked up somewhere ?" - the-goat-herder

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Greg, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that you yourself are the one dripping with hubris. Your ego is so huge it could power a hot air balloon into the stratosphere. Do not forget that you and your lackeys created this situation for yourselves with your own foolishness. What is taking place now is only the natural order of things - when people feel oppressed or threatened by an overbearing force, they take countermeasures to overcome it.

"If it weren't for you and your crew placing arbitrary, unnecessary restrictions on BTC's growth for your own perceived benefit (read: ego) then this wouldn't even be happening right now." - SK_Btc

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You have added a 1 MB / block size limitation that was not there before. You added this limitation during 2015, by pretending that the limit has always been there. You pretend that your "additional fee market"-limit (We have always had a fee market, we don't need an additional fee market.) is the same as the "prevent miners from DOS-attacking the network"-limit that was added by Satoshi temporarily in 2010.

That was never intended to be a permanent limit and it never had the purpose that you're pretending that it has.

"This limits the number of possible on-chain transactions per second to 3 tps. That is one of the restrictions you've placed on our Bitcoin.

You're also campaigning the miners to start using the Full RBF policy. That limits (or "restricts" as you put it) the reliability of 0-confirmation transactions for low value transactions. That makes Bitcoin slow to use, which is a form of "restriction".

So in summary, you're restricting Bitcoin to have become slow and expensive (because the 3 tps limitation causes the on-chain transaction fees to go up).

Then you market Blockstream's future product, the Lightning Network (LN), as making Bitcoin fast and cheap to use. Bitcoin was fast and cheap to use until Blockstream took over the project (in November 2014) and intentionally started making it slow and expensive to push users to use Blockstream off-chain products instead." - todu

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Greg, why do you insist on crippling Bitcoin

"at 2TPS? " - SWt006hij

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/u/nullc, I've been here 3 days and each day you continue to act like a child, like this is a game.

"If that's your intent, you are and will lose :/" - jim_cooper99

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freedom of speech/opinion is so important in bitcoin.

" i really hope bitcoin can overcome all this. " - mufftrader

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66% of bitcoin users think the Bitcoin network should hard fork

"to increase the block size limit" - blockologist

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I fear a bloodbath is coming for BTC. It's goign to get a hell of a lot worse before it improves.

"Right now, I'm trading in other currencies but I check back every so often to see if the block size debate has been fixed yet.

Every time I see it isn't fixed, I have confirmation that BTC is actually HEAVILY centralized... too much for it to function in a healthy manner.

Yes, a fork is needed. It's the only way left." - fasterfind

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Satoshi said we would raise the blocksize when hit, everyone agreed and the consensus was that we would find a way to never have full blocks, Greg has come out in opposition to that point by Satoshi.

"Greg changed the rules we had all consented to.

Greg betrayed us." - zcc0nonA

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Yes he did.

"The Core roadmap is not a commitment to on-chain scaling." - xhiggy

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The moment 51% of CPU owners want to take bitcoin somewhere different, they absolutely can and will. But Greg knows this as well,

"otherwise he wouldn't be running scared shitless to secret backroom deals with miners." - redlightsaber

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The way I have been reading and understanding it, the overwhelming majority insists on a fork, from polls to forums and individual conversations. In fact, even Bitcoins competitors are encouraging to fork away from the control of Core. Mr. Buterin, of who created Ethereum, explicity said "fork away".

"Remember, this all spawned from Bitcoin, even he has love for Bitcoin, everyone wants to see Bitcoin succeed, just not under the control of a for profit company." - fistela

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Funny Greg that you insist everyone who disagrees with you is a sockpuppet, the bots and puppets I see are all Praise Core, etc. So you must be living in some fairy tale world of your own delusion or something.

"If you really love btc let it go, let others take control, be the bigger man like Gavin and step away." - zcc0nonA

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Funny that the sockpuppets I see

"all support core" - level_5_Metapod

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Your behavior is incredible to me - i can think of very few CTOs of successful startups sitting on reddit all day,

"shitting on a nearby dev in the same exact field. Absolutely classless." - jeanduluoz

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Greg has some weird long-standing grudge against Vitalik.

"One time, I referenced an article Vitalik wrote about quantum-safe crypto algos (this one) in a comment to Greg. This was before the block size debate even kicked off full swing, and I believe it was before Ethereum even launched. He replied something along the lines of "well I can see by where you get your information from that you don't know what you're talking about" - peoplma

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Dude, you've made my investment in Bitcoin riskier by many magnitudes. And you sure as shit don't align with everyone's views, a lot of us signed up to something bigger than you and yours, but here we are, debating with you as though you were someone who matters.

"You only impact my life negatively, Vitalik on the other hand isn't perfect, but he doesn't actively make me sweat bullets as to the safety of my investment. The hard fork was a bump, sure, and I was pro fork as I am with Bitcoin, but that was hardly Vitalik's doing, and he's hardly pro ETC, he's sticking to H and is fine with it because he'll let the technological merits of ETH and its developers, headed by him, do the talking. He chose a a side, as we all did - Why are you so afraid of hearing what genuine users think? It's bizarre to me man, really.

I just want to talk to you and not have you on the defensive and without condescension. I get it, you think you're right, but you need to understand you're just one man, you can't hold all the cards, you can't be the only one correct in what is essentially speculation as to economic theory.

Personally I just think remove the cap, get the growth and users, people get comfortable with fractions of Bitcoin known as "Bits", which is the best nickname as far as I'm concerned, and the value rises indefinitely; If you say to someone "If X is built correctly, you all stand to make money" you know the grand motivator of greed will drive them. Infrastructure will be made. Build it and they will come. Limit it, change it from what the original users signed up for? Well shit Greg, look what's right in front of you. Undeniable evidence that a lot of people disagree with you. To the point where new clients pop up, new forums are used to actually get ideas out there, now a possible fork of Bitcoin, and none of us are the evangelists we once were.

Do you not see how many people oppose you and your ideas? Satoshi included? Open your eyes mate. If I were you I'd just walk away. The way you are is not conducive with a stewardship of Bitcoin." - Mbizzle135

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Blockstream and the Core devs are doing a fantastic job

"of running Bitcoin into the ground." - MrMuahHaHa

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I was rather late to the Bitcoin game (2014), but for someone like you with a large stake in bitcoin's growth and acceptance

"it must be quite frustrating to see the stagnation." - EWBears

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It's very very very frustrating to see something I care about so much

"be stalled from within." - MemoryDealers

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Bitcoin needs to evolve and right now it's not. It's a stagnant mess with huge political problems.

"The only way to change these things is for it to evolve for long term goals that were set by Bitcoin's creator as per the social contract invoked in the Bitcoin Whitepaper." - blockologist

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Fork seems the only option

"now." - HolyBits

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Its sad to see Bitcoin making itself obsolete

"from within." - silver-saguaro

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What is frustrating to many of us is that Bitcoin was explicitly promoted as both a long term store of value and a way to buy coffee. And that was clearly Satoshi's vision as well.

"So to have some small group of people just decide that it can now only be one of those things (and for dubious reasons)...well, you can see why many of us are looking at other alternatives." - eric_sammons

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I've been in Bitcoin since 2013. When I first started out my mind was blown that I could send money anywhere in the world in 10 minutes. Back in June I sent some bitcoin and it took over 12 hours.

"Bitcoin has lost its feeling of magic." - silver-saguaro

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The fees are awfully important.

"Let's say the fee is $2.50 USD - Goodness, you're better off using cash... or LTC, or any other altcoin, anything but BTC.

Then, let's say there's a block size debate which ends with your transaction taking 20 hours for confirmation. That's a long time to stand around in a candy shop, don't you have better things to be doing with your life?

Obviously, BTC isn't any good for small transactions, or anything that needs to be done in person. The fees are absolutely relevant, as is transaction time. Both of these super important factors are areas where other coins are now leading the way toward an acceptable user experience which isn't just good for buying expensive stuff like cars and tanks, but is also reasonable to use for buying a small piece of candy.

Why does candy matter? How about the fact that about 60% of the world population lives on less than two dollars a day? - Candy isn't candy anymore, is it? Do you think that the developing world needs functional currency any less than the rest of us? If anything, they need it MORE than the developed countries because it provides them a hedge against their own fiat, which is often in terrible condition." - fasterfind