Stop and think for a moment.

[rogerver]

Many people around Bitcoin that have been influenced by the censorship and propaganda campaigns love to say that I'm trying to hurt Bitcoin in order to pump alt coins.

Stop and think for a moment.

If I own a large number of Bitcoins, and Bitcoin.com, that means I'm financially motivated to do everything I can to improve the value of those assets.
This is unlike Adam Back, the CEO of Blockstream, who by his own admission, and despite having known about Bitcoin for about 5 years due to being contacted by Satoshi himself in 2008, he didn't own a single Bitcoin himself in April of 2013. I doubt he has many bitcoins now either.

Compare that with someone like myself who spent nearly every penny I had buying Bitcoin as soon as I learned about them in 2011.
Adam Back can run circles around me when it comes to the underlying mathematics of Bitcoin, but he has demonstrated by his own actions that he has absolutely no clue why Bitcoin came to be used as money, and to this day he still doesn't understand why Bitcoin is money. Sadly, his firm has done an incredible amount of harm to Bitcoin's adoption rate and has caused Bitcoin's market share to plummet from around 90% to less than 50% today.

Bitcoin is the only coin in the world to ever have had full blocks.
If we want to experiment with the effects of full blocks on a system, it is incredibly reckless to do it on Bitcoin, yet that is exactly what Adam and his ilk have done. If we want to experiment with full blocks, do it on an alt coin!

[bitkilo]

That is a topic that crosses my mind whenever i read another "Roger is trying to kill bitcoin" story. Why would you want to kill something that you have put so much of your time and effort into helping succeed.

I don't know of one other person in the whole bitcoin space that can say they have put their money where their mouth is as much as yourself. You seem to promote bitcoin at every turn and most often at your own expense. (You even got a nickname for giving away so many coins in the early days, coins that would probably be worth quite a bit by now but an action I am sure you don't regret doing one bit)

Just don't ever let em get you down mate, you are by far the hardest working promoter of bitcoin hands down. I don't see you flying around the world and taking part in heaps podcasts and interviews just to promote Bitcoin.com, you do it to promote bitcoin the technology.

Keep up the great work that you are doing, and on behalf of the whole community that wants to see bitcoin succeed thank you for all you have done so far!

[Possum577]

That is a topic that crosses my mind whenever i read another "Roger is trying to kill bitcoin" story. Why would you want to kill something that you have put so much of your time and effort into helping succeed.

And these stories always conveniently lack any fact based argument as to why Roger would be conducting his business or lobbying attempts out of malicious intent. It's so ridiculous.

Is there an argument against growing the blockchain? People that are against a greater transaction throughput capacity only scream "No!" and seem to forget to share why they believe there's concern to be had.

Keep up the great work that you are doing, and on behalf of the whole community that wants to see bitcoin succeed thank you for all you have done so far!

Yes, keep fighting the good fight. Although we all know it's not a fight, it's an education. We all want Bitcoin to thrive and to do that it needs to grow with the market and demand. Thank you!

[mjglqw]

It's indeed very sad. I remember when I was starting out on bitcoins (probably early-mid 2016), and I've watched alot of youtube vids, some including you. You are only one of the few bitcoin promoters/supporters whereas I can see passion and love for the technology when speaking.

It just proves that black propaganda does greatly affect the public's opinions.

[patrick.miller]

At this point, I honestly think both sides are extremely passionate and protective of Bitcoin and just have a fundamental disagreement about what should be the priority.

The fact that we have such diametrically opposed groups in Bitcoin is actually probably a blessing. This should act as a counterbalance over the coming years to protect decentralization while also providing good scaling solutions.

SegWit2x (NYA) is a good compromise effort. It is exactly what needs to happen, where moderate groups (Jeff Garzik, Mike Belshe, Christopher Jeffrey) can step in and bridge the gap. Once btc1 is adopted and there is no chain split, then the two sides will have to learn to work together. It's really that simple.

[vanityaddrs]

Many people around Bitcoin that have been influenced by the censorship and propaganda campaigns love to say that I'm trying to hurt Bitcoin in order to pump alt coins.

So... these people think you have disproportionate power and influence, because reasonable attempts to increase the block size have been so wildly successful. So successful that instead, Segwit signalling or lack of it could fracture Bitcoin and split the chain. Wow.

Satoshi himself, by the way, suggested phasing in a block limit increase after a patch by Jeff Garzick (that didn't make it in Bitcoin Core) was posted to another Bitcoin forum. This is not an appeal to authority, but rather a sound case for block size increase based on technical merit and careful consideration.

If I own a large number of Bitcoins, and Bitcoin.com, that means I'm financially motivated to do everything I can to improve the value of those assets.
This is unlike Adam Back, the CEO of Blockstream, who by his own admission, and despite having known about Bitcoin for about 5 years due to being contacted by Satoshi himself in 2008, he didn't own a single Bitcoin himself in April of 2013. I doubt he has many bitcoins now either.

Adam is clearly pushing Blockstream's federated side channel thingy that would clearly benefit wealthier traders, which is fine, good luck to him. The hypocrisy is giggle-worthy.

Compare that with someone like myself who spent nearly every penny I had buying Bitcoin as soon as I learned about them in 2011.
Adam Back can run circles around me when it comes to the underlying mathematics of Bitcoin, but he has demonstrated by his own actions that he has absolutely no clue why Bitcoin came to be used as money, and to this day he still doesn't understand why Bitcoin is money. Sadly, his firm has done an incredible amount of harm to Bitcoin's adoption rate and has caused Bitcoin's market share to plummet from around 90% to less than 50% today.

I think he does understand, but he has other interests.

Meanwhile, compare to an early investor in Bitcoin who has a big stake in seeing Bitcoin become as successful as it can be. If I could be annoying with my Captain Obvious statement there.

Bitcoin is the only coin in the world to ever have had full blocks.
If we want to experiment with the effects of full blocks on a system, it is incredibly reckless to do it on Bitcoin, yet that is exactly what Adam and his ilk have done. If we want to experiment with full blocks, do it on an alt coin!

I would agree.

Aside, they have nothing logical or noteworthy to argue with. I think the best play is to ignore them and not respond to bullshit. They will just come back and take delight in provoking some kind of response. Ask them to stop trolling and present the best case with evidence for their extraordinary claims. If they had anything, we would have seen the best they can come up with by now, I'm sure.

Just point to everything you've helped create and the personal energy you put into Bitcoin and the sacrifices made to work on this full time. Then drop the mic on them.

[vanityaddrs]

It's indeed very sad. I remember when I was starting out on bitcoins (probably early-mid 2016), and I've watched alot of youtube vids, some including you. You are only one of the few bitcoin promoters/supporters whereas I can see passion and love for the technology when speaking.

It just proves that black propaganda does greatly affect the public's opinions.

That sums it up nicely.

I remember from back in early 2013, and revived my interest in 2015 while working with a highly cited and published cryptologist. I've never failed to smile and support Roger's enthusiasm and passion.

[OgNasty]

I think whether a person is right or wrong, there are times when being in the argument will make you appear as a bad person to the casual observer.

[vanityaddrs]

That's possible. The desire to fight what you consider the good fight can be very intense at times. Most of these very personal and illogical swipes at Roger provoke a disgust response for me.

[bitkilo]

What i would like to know is how do you get the strength to ignore the total BS peddled by the internet trolls of bitcoin day after day, stories such as this: https://medium.com/@rextar4444/wright-h ... c0cf80a358

It's a shame because medium.com can have or at least used to have some good articles but they now too often allow baseless articles like this to be posted to their site.

There whole article basically goes against what others are saying, if you had all the Gox coins then why would you want to kill bitcoin? These trolls don't even have to make sense anymore to get an actual article published.

Stay strong and just continue to ignore these type of trolls that seem to have nothing better to do than personally attack you, they are not even worth your time thinking about them. Actually the article i linked above is not even worth your time to read so feel free to ignore that to as you wouldn't be missing anything.

[SpaceMonkey]

[vanityaddrs]

What i would like to know is how do you get the strength to ignore the total BS peddled by the internet trolls of bitcoin day after day, stories such as this: https://medium.com/@rextar4444/wright-h ... c0cf80a358

I could blog that the Lizard people/alien race are taking over, astrology is a scientific discipline, the moon landings were faked, and people would probably swear it's true. And Roger Ver stolz all teh bitcoins!!!!11

Why? Because I say so! I'm a phrenologist, trust me. I looked at Roger's head on Youtube.

[CryptoSapien]

Unfortunately sometimes people outsource their reasoning abilities, when that happens they believe all the garbage and baseless accusations on the internet that make no sense. I think it is tragic that people dont see what Adam is doing to Bitcoin.