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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:11 pm

Since you aren't sure how long it could take to code the fee sharing thing, would be possible to cancel the 2% fee and instead just increase the block reward bonus for BTC to 10% maybe so we mine BTC more since that functionality is already available with the pool, and later we can use the fee reward sharing once that is coded in? That should bring in more profit for you and you can cancel the 2% fee thing, at least for cloud miners since that will make you more than that anyway if BTC fees are at any more than 12-14%. It just makes no economic sense for this kind of change to wait for anyone involved (pool operators and miners). Time is money. It's also good PR for those who aren't in this thread :P.

Imagine this: "We're cancelling our planned fee increase and instead rewarding you with more block reward bonus %! Transaction fee reward sharing by percentage coming soon!"

Once you have that fee percentage sharing coded it could actually be continually tweaked to maximize income for the pool and the miners, there definitely is a sweet spot between 50% and 85% of the fees paid to the miners where it causes the pool spend most (60-80%) of it's time mining BTC so it makes the pool operators more than it would have by taking a lower %. That's a big window of % I know but maybe someone could do the math to figure it out (I'd imagine that would be very hard since you would have to take in how other pools handle the fees and auto profit switchers, etc), or we can just start at a certain amount and record the amount of time mining each coin at every percentage (over windows of about a week) and adjust accordingly. If this is done the right way it helps everyone!

A great example of the problem is right now, we could be mining BTC right now, according to https://fork.lol/ (at the time of this post) it's objectively 27% more profitable to mine Bitcoin, but not here, the revenue calculator for 100TH: 0.019 351 05 BTC ($154.94) / 0.131 255 75 BCH ($156.81)


Please reconsider my ideas here. I think it's unfair that you guys take all of the BTC fees. ViaBTC pays out fees and only takes 2% of the fees (their block reward fee is 4%, see here (click 'Pool Fees'): https://pool.viabtc.com/help/pricing/ ). If I could I would point my cloud mining hash power there as I'd be making 25%+ more there currently with the same hashrate. I think we should be paid all of the fee rewards for both chains and you should increase the overall fee if that cuts in to the pools revenue too much. Claiming to be the lowest fee pool while not paying any of the fee rewards like the other pools just plain dishonest and the problem becomes more and more obvious as the BTC mempool fills up. https://fork.lol/reward/feepct

I don't even understand your decisions from a business perspective, not paying out fees causes everyone to mine BCH more often even when it's less profitable at the expense of all of the miners and pool operators. Just think about it, the pool will NEVER mine BTC while fee rewards are at all time highs and BTC is SIGNIFICANTLY MORE PROFITABLE TO MINE, just because of how it's setup, so even the pool itself can't even profit from all of the fees on the BTC chain. It makes NO SENSE.

If miners want BCH they can trade their BTC for it, there is no argument for mining a less profitable chain most of the time which is what we will do the whole time BTC fee rewards remain consistently high (and who knows when that will end, if ever?).

I have ordered an S9 miner and I planned to use it on this pool but after I found out about this huge problem I changed my mind, I will definitely be mining on ViaBTC pool with it instead unless this situation changes.

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I invite anyone reading this post to have a good hard look at what this pool isn't paying you currently (that other pools do), as I imagine it will only get worse in the next few days and my screenshot above will not do it justice:

https://fork.lol/reward/fees
https://fork.lol/reward/feepct

To Roger and Zowki: You can still say you have the lowest fees compared to all other pools if you change them to 3% overall and pay us all of the block fee rewards instead of none of them, the miners AND the pool will make more money since that will fix the profitability calculations and will result in us actually mining the more profitable chain at all times.

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:40 am

Because of the lower difficulty on BCH we mine way more blocks than on the BTC chain. On BTC we mine about 1-2% of the total even with full hash rate on BTC. On BCH we can get 10-20% of the total. If you want to mine BCH you will have a much easier time exchanging that for BTC (because of the fast transferability and low fees) than if you were to mine BTC then try exchanging it for BCH.

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:39 am

To Roger and Zowki: You can still say you have the lowest fees compared to all other pools if you change them to 3% overall and pay us all of the block fee rewards instead of none of them, the miners AND the pool will make more money since that will fix the profitability calculations and will result in us actually mining the more profitable chain at all times.
We are planning to do this in the future, but it will take some development time to redesign our payment system to support it. Thank you for your suggestion.
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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:36 pm

To Roger and Zowki: You can still say you have the lowest fees compared to all other pools if you change them to 3% overall and pay us all of the block fee rewards instead of none of them, the miners AND the pool will make more money since that will fix the profitability calculations and will result in us actually mining the more profitable chain at all times.
We are planning to do this in the future, but it will take some development time to redesign our payment system to support it. Thank you for your suggestion.
Please do it as soon as possible, the situation is only getting worse. BTC is about 7% more profitable on this pool right now, but 59% more profitable in reality, we are missing out on 52% of the profits from BTC mining, and the pool is raking in over $60,000 per BTC block in BTC fees now and not paying any of it to the miners.

At the time this was posted, you could make 50% more in profits mining on ViaBTC even with their 4% fee.

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Zowki/Roger: You guys should probably increase the BTC block bonus to AT LEAST 20%, but the best thing to do would be to manually set it every 6-12 hours or so to close to what the fee reward % is actually at in the meantime, until you have whatever you need developed to do it your way. I know you only need to change a variable to do the way I propsed, it shouldn't take you any time at all. I'm really surprised there aren't more people in this thread making the same points I am, especially because of all the cloud mining customers you have who can't switch pools. :(

If things don't change soon I might have to make my case on reddit /r/btc (and I'm sure the /r/bitcoin shills would love to see it and probably would even repost it in their own sub just because it's negative and about Bitcoin.com), and I really don't want to have to do that because I like Bitcoin.com and I'd rather not air this dirty laundry in public, or at least more public than this forum thread.

To anyone else reading this: If you and agree with me (about my arguments and my idea to take the issue to reddit if nothing changes very soon) but don't feel like posting yourself, please click the thumbs up button at the top of my posts. Also please click the thumbs down button if you don't agree, but if you do that you should post and explain why you don't agree if you don't, otherwise it's kind of pointless, no one would know why you disagree. Most people browsing this thread are unregistered guests (see at the bottom) so they are unable to rate posts, so if you are one of those and you feel strongly about this and don't have a forum account here, please consider making one to reply or show your support for my posts. Thanks.
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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:54 pm

To Roger and Zowki: You can still say you have the lowest fees compared to all other pools if you change them to 3% overall and pay us all of the block fee rewards instead of none of them, the miners AND the pool will make more money since that will fix the profitability calculations and will result in us actually mining the more profitable chain at all times.
We are planning to do this in the future, but it will take some development time to redesign our payment system to support it. Thank you for your suggestion.
Please do it as soon as possible, the situation is only getting worse. BTC is about 7% more profitable on this pool right now, but 59% more profitable in reality, we are missing out on 52% of the profits from BTC mining, and the pool is raking in over $60,000 per BTC block in BTC fees now and not paying any of it to the miners.
I am absolutely agree with you. I have cloud accounts both in ViaBTC and Bitcoin.com, and the profits are much more on ViaBTC - in any currency we measure - BTC or USD. Bitcoin.com has to improve the situation as quickly as possible.

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:18 pm

"Please do it as soon as possible, the situation is only getting worse. BTC is about 7% more profitable on this pool right now, but 59% more profitable in reality, we are missing out on 52% of the profits from BTC mining, and the pool is raking in over $60,000 per BTC block in BTC fees now and not paying any of it to the miners."

Very good point, and I agree with you. With BTC being 59% more profitable in reality, I would think the increased profits would more than offset the development costs. The realities of mining are very different now that BTC is about $15,000, compared to when it was around $3,000. The reality will continue to be very different, especially if BTC continues to be worth about $15,000 or more.

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:05 am

I agree with KableK and the others. We also need to adjust the withdrawal fee aswell...

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:23 am

Completely agree with everybody posting above! Unfortunately, Bitcoin pool is not the most profitable atm.

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:16 am

I just wanted to say thanks to the team of Bitcoin.com and this pool.
It's my first experience of mining, and I'm not technically savvy that much on this. Yes I read all the comments on how to make it even better. I don't know much so I cannot judge on this matter, but i feel home here. I like the aura of this site. And i like the way they reply to my emails (although some of them are too emotional - so thank you for putting up with me) . I just feel that this team is right and think whatever they do is aiming to improve things. Trust is gold.

Wish Bitcoin-dot-com team, and all of us here all the success and happy Christmas holidays!

Thank you for what you do!

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:00 pm


We are planning to do this in the future, but it will take some development time to redesign our payment system to support it. Thank you for your suggestion.
Please do it as soon as possible, the situation is only getting worse. BTC is about 7% more profitable on this pool right now, but 59% more profitable in reality, we are missing out on 52% of the profits from BTC mining, and the pool is raking in over $60,000 per BTC block in BTC fees now and not paying any of it to the miners.
I am absolutely agree with you. I have cloud accounts both in ViaBTC and Bitcoin.com, and the profits are much more on ViaBTC - in any currency we measure - BTC or USD. Bitcoin.com has to improve the situation as quickly as possible.
Exactly my point. I have some cloud mining hashpower at ViaBTC as well (but I have a lot more here) and my ViaBTC mining contracts are paying substantially more in the last few days while my Bitcoin.com returns have remained about the same.

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:23 pm

anyone wants to sell his "Lifetime Plan cloud mining contracts" ?
I might sell a few TH to minimize my risk if your price is right.

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:37 pm

I just wanted to say thanks to the team of Bitcoin.com and this pool.
It's my first experience of mining, and I'm not technically savvy that much on this. Yes I read all the comments on how to make it even better. I don't know much so I cannot judge on this matter, but i feel home here. I like the aura of this site. And i like the way they reply to my emails (although some of them are too emotional - so thank you for putting up with me) . I just feel that this team is right and think whatever they do is aiming to improve things. Trust is gold.

Wish Bitcoin-dot-com team, and all of us here all the success and happy Christmas holidays!

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:14 pm

Please fix this fast, put all youre effort in fixing this. It is very miserable to see this less earning to viabtc. No one want to buy new contracts if you didnt fix this.

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:57 pm

Hello, Shaun, please check support email, I have a few inconsistencies between profit, transactions and auto withdrawal amounts I want you to check.

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:46 pm

@zowki I have a negative balance of BTC, but I don't know why. Its a fairly large balance as well. I didn't send any more than I had since I use a daily auto withdrawal. What happened?

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:11 pm

To Roger and Zowki: You can still say you have the lowest fees compared to all other pools if you change them to 3% overall and pay us all of the block fee rewards instead of none of them, the miners AND the pool will make more money since that will fix the profitability calculations and will result in us actually mining the more profitable chain at all times.
We are planning to do this in the future, but it will take some development time to redesign our payment system to support it. Thank you for your suggestion.
Please do it as soon as possible, the situation is only getting worse. BTC is about 7% more profitable on this pool right now, but 59% more profitable in reality, we are missing out on 52% of the profits from BTC mining, and the pool is raking in over $60,000 per BTC block in BTC fees now and not paying any of it to the miners.

At the time this was posted, you could make 50% more in profits mining on ViaBTC even with their 4% fee.

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Zowki/Roger: You guys should probably increase the BTC block bonus to AT LEAST 20%, but the best thing to do would be to manually set it every 6-12 hours or so to close to what the fee reward % is actually at in the meantime, until you have whatever you need developed to do it your way. I know you only need to change a variable to do the way I propsed, it shouldn't take you any time at all. I'm really surprised there aren't more people in this thread making the same points I am, especially because of all the cloud mining customers you have who can't switch pools. :(

If things don't change soon I might have to make my case on reddit /r/btc (and I'm sure the /r/bitcoin shills would love to see it and probably would even repost it in their own sub just because it's negative and about Bitcoin.com), and I really don't want to have to do that because I like Bitcoin.com and I'd rather not air this dirty laundry in public, or at least more public than this forum thread.

To anyone else reading this: If you and agree with me (about my arguments and my idea to take the issue to reddit if nothing changes very soon) but don't feel like posting yourself, please click the thumbs up button at the top of my posts. Also please click the thumbs down button if you don't agree, but if you do that you should post and explain why you don't agree if you don't, otherwise it's kind of pointless, no one would know why you disagree. Most people browsing this thread are unregistered guests (see at the bottom) so they are unable to rate posts, so if you are one of those and you feel strongly about this and don't have a forum account here, please consider making one to reply or show your support for my posts. Thanks.

I'm not sure when exactly this happened but it looks like things may be changing: https://poolsupport.bitcoin.com/article ... ock-reward

The pool is now paying 110% block reward for BTC, that is better than 105% but still not enough, with BTC fees consistently over 15% for almost a week now and over 20% currently we are still not being paid out for over half of the BTC fee rewards.. I'm curious why this increase to 110% block reward hasn't been announced though, it was just updated on the fees page? Usually there is an announcement on the dashboard or something. It seems to me these changes are being done quietly in order to not tip people off to what is really going on. If it was announced that the pool is now paying 110% block rewards some miners may investigate and see that 110% is still only covering less than half of the BTC fees the pool is receiving.

According to that page: "We do change the block reward from time to time based on how much the pool is making in transaction fees. When the pool starts to see more TX fees coming in then we will raise the block reward again. The change is for all miners on the pool. In the past the block reward we give has been as high as 120%"

I'm curious when was this period of 120% block reward and how long was it for? I've been mining here since August and the highest block reward I've ever seen (or noticed) was 10%, as it is now. I'm not doubting this period happened, but I'd still like to know when it was and how long it lasted.

Please know that I'll never be completely satisfied (and I doubt the people supporting my posts would be either) until a solution similar to ViaBTC's is implemented at this pool (where all the fees are paid and a percentage of those are taken) but I appreciate that things are being done to make things at least a little bit better in the meantime. That being said, 110% block reward is still too low, fees are over 20% of the block reward for BTC right now.

Also, by increasing the block reward for BTC to 10%, you gave a 5% boost to the profits of the miners (but actually, it's probably only effectively about a 2% or less actual boost since we will still mine BCH more often), but you also shifted the profitability to cause the pool to mine BTC way more often (still not as often as it should if it were setup correctly), which in turn generates WAY more than a 5% boost to the profits of the pool itself since the fees are so high on BTC and you aren't even paying 50%+ of them out. Don't think we can't tell what you're doing here. Nice economic decision for the pool operators, not so much for the miners (even though it does give an increase to us, you get way more!).

Miners, don't be fooled, if the block reward of Bitcoin.com for BTC is ever even ~0.5% below what the fee percentage of the block reward is (see here: https://fork.lol/reward/feepct ), ViaBTC is the better place to mine. They charge 2% on the fees, 2% of 20% is 0.4%. ViaBTC currently takes ~0.4% of the entire block reward as a fee for the fees while Bitcoin.com is taking over 10% of the entire block reward (over 50% of the fees), even with the new 110% block reward. So Bitcoin.com is generating at least 25 times (or 2500%) more revenue for themselves per BTC block mined at this time from BTC fees than ViaBTC, and the higher the fees for BTC are, the worse the stats get.

https://fork.lol/reward/feepct
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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:27 pm

KableK, Bitcoin.com pool admins play unfair for a moment now…

By the way, contract prices have increased again by +50%
- 1 year : 299$ -> 449$
- «lifetime» : 399$ -> 599$ (it was 129$ at the beginning)

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:02 pm

KableK, Bitcoin.com pool admins play unfair for a moment now…

By the way, contract prices have increased again by +50%
- 1 year : 299$ -> 449$
- «lifetime» : 399$ -> 599$ (it was 129$ at the beginning)
My sentiments exactly..!

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:46 am

KableK, Bitcoin.com pool admins play unfair for a moment now…

By the way, contract prices have increased again by +50%
- 1 year : 299$ -> 449$
- «lifetime» : 399$ -> 599$ (it was 129$ at the beginning)
Indeed!

I'll paid 159$/th

Nur 599$ is ridicoulus expensive! For 3th theyll can buy a new antminer.

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:36 pm

599$ is ridicoulus expensive!
It is very expensive. But It would be strange (or even unfair, to earlier purchasers) if the "buy-in" price hadn't been adjusted to reflect the current pricing trends of BTC and BCH, which are way higher than in previous months. Not sure what price points the other cloud pools offer, but this seems like a commensurate adjustment to me. Higher income expectation + high contract demand = higher initial investment price.

Thanks for your strong and cogent advocacy on profits, KableK. I think I'm happy to support the BCH project (low fees, on-chain scaling)--and reap the potential upside that may come--as long as the profit policy of our pool is reasonably competitive (ie not egregiously uncompetitive, as it may be from time to time cf ViaBTC according to your info).

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:39 pm

It's interesting, do they have plans to run a Contract Market?

And LOL, even at 599$ no lifetime plans available )

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:55 pm

@zowki I have a negative balance of BTC, but I don't know why. Its a fairly large balance as well. I didn't send any more than I had since I use a daily auto withdrawal. What happened?
Seems like they paid too much on 9.12. payout. Therefore negative balance.

Lol for those new prices. It's obvious that those are set so you won't ROI BTC wise, though dollar wise you are likely to if BTC price does not drop too much. However with that pricing the risk is insanely high to lose also most of you dollar investment. No thanks, I'm going to order couple of S9's instead and HODL the rest.

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:47 pm

Hi
how do I make a pool automatically chose what is more profitable to mining?btc and bcc.This is a paid option ?thank you

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:23 pm

Hi
how do I make a pool automatically chose what is more profitable to mining?btc and bcc.This is a paid option ?thank you
If you want the most profitability out of mining and you have your own hardware, you should go to ViaBTC and use their auto-profit switcher, at least until Bitcoin.com starts paying out BTC fees fairly. Read my posts above in this thread.

https://pool.viabtc.com/help/mining/guide/

Use this stratum for auto profit switch:
stratum+tcp://smart.viabtc.com:3333

If you have cloud mining hashpower with Bitcoin.com like me unfortunately you have to mine here, but you can turn on auto profit switch (not real profitability switch since it doesn't pay you nearly as much for BTC compared to the ViaBTC pool, but it will switch to the most profitable coin on this pool at least) for your contracts here: https://console.pool.bitcoin.com/purchasedcontracts

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:45 pm

Quite interesting diagrams:
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1,9% on 10.10.16

Image 1,2% on 12.12.17

We should improve the situation up to 2% at least. We can't stop the progress ;)

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:17 am

Please know that I'll never be completely satisfied (and I doubt the people supporting my posts would be either) until a solution similar to ViaBTC's is implemented at this pool (where all the fees are paid and a percentage of those are taken) but I appreciate that things are being done to make things at least a little bit better in the meantime. That being said, 110% block reward is still too low, fees are over 20% of the block reward for BTC right now.
I agree with the effort to make this pool better and appreciate bitcoin.com as a great place to mine BCH.

I am compiling a list of pools that share fees.
So far I have Via, Slush, Kano and btc.com on my list.
Anyone know of any more?

http://www.wheretomine.info

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:14 pm

I have noticed, that the amount of estimated and paid revenue is one figure for consecutive 5 days. Looks like it is manually set.
And I have a question - what is a formula for its calculation? Does it include total coin hashrate, quantity of generated, etc?
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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

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Is there some other exchange for bticoin cash, kraken have problems, bit stamp something went wrong whit my autification,
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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:39 am

Hi , question for admin or any user, im considering the cloud mining with this group, but i have one small question : On the price page for cloud mining, the third bullet point states:

"Contract will end if daily fee exceeds revenue for 60 consecutive days."

what if a market crash causes the pool to generate losses for a period of time, would i be able to keep the contract if i choose to? (hoping the market recovers)

What is the purpose of this policy is what i am wondering, just wanna be clear.. Thank you in advance.

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Re: Bitcoin.com Mining Pool Official Discussion Thread

Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:36 am

I joined this company back when it was first getting started. I was under the assumption that when I purchased my lifetime contracts, that I would be PAID proportionately to the growth of the company and the price of BITCOIN. But as the price of Bitcoin skyrocketed, my paycheck never really grew in proportion to what the company was ACTUALLY making... We SHOULD BE paid in terms of BITCOIN, NOT USD (US dollars). We are NOT getting what we paid for. I am terribly unhappy with the "Switch and Bait" tactics... As if the company hasn't profited enough to pay us Loyal/Trusting customers who were there from the beginning... At Least pay everyone, who in the beginning, had enough Faith in the company to purchase a "LIFETIME" contract, get paid FAIR profits... I'm POSITIVE that there Aren't even that many "LIFETIME" contracts in exisistance, compared to the amount of profit the company really makes anyways... GIVE US A BREAK... :?

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