Complaints from Bitcoin Users

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Bitcoin is dead

"until Theymos/Stream/Greg and the Dipshits are gone." - consensorship

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ETC is almost dead right now, so again proved that core devs have very bad knowledge when it comes to market and economy,

"they can barely see what happens in a couple of months while Satoshi see at least 200 years" - vattenj

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This whole idea that you don't need a design or consensus to change a DOS restriction to introduce a fee market is f-ing retarded and disingenuous.

"That is what makes me angry, the (feigned) incompetence of it all." - seweso

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What that bunch of idiots without any proper technical skills does is irrelevant to my interests. They have been for a long time on a path to being relegated to their uselessness and irrelevance. What do I care if they prefer coffee or tea, honesty?

"If they sing a song in clown customs while jumping on pogo sticks, that could be mildly interesting. And I think theor skills to do it are not bellow their software engineering ones..." - observerc

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There is no way back. Core must go.

"All core functionaries are tainted forever and arguably are most hated people in Bitcoin ever, way surpassing likes of karpeles, pirate, and other assorted small time assholes. The trust is irrevocably broken and it cannot be restored." - FormerlyEarlyAdopter

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The real problem is segwit, since it is not bitcoin,

"how did it enter bitcoin code base is totally unknown and unauthorized by the community" - vattenj

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Their actions over the last 2 years or so

"have irreparably destroyed any and all chance of me ever assuming good faith on their part." - BobsBurgers4Bitcoin

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Complaints from users, Day 55 (27/08/2016):

I'd like to hear your thoughts on Theymos explicitly censoring my own post on block sizes on /r/Bitcoin.

"Was this acceptable behavior? Why, or why not? Here is proof of Theymos intentionally deleting a link to my post: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN3NtxGU8AAllZb.png:large" - MemoryDealers

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Complaints from users, Day 55 (27/08/2016):

censorship on rbitcoin and bitcoin.org. These forums were started and contributed to by the community at large with the understanding that the person/persons running them would operate them without censorship.

"The inability to talk frankly about particular topics without the filtering of comments and banning of individuals is paramount. When opposing positions are censored or hidden, it inflames the divisions that currently exist." - cm18

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publicly demand /u/theymos open his moderation logs and we can have a factual,

"point-by-point comparison." - chinawat

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You are such a toxic person. We see through your lies and your transparent attempts to enrich yourself by limiting bitcoin.

"Either Unlimited will oust your market share and save bitcoin from your broken roadmap (segwhat?). Or another chain will continue the inexorable loss of market cap bitcoin has witnessed under your reign of incompetence." - Joloffe

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For someone who holds the ideology of decentralization so close to his heart, it's illogical for you to support theymos and his policies on the other sub.

"You make me cringe dude." - HowtoInternets

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Absolutely shameless. True colors proven.

"This is why so many of us have given up on you and can never trust your motives." - tsontar

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...so

"when does Bitcoin hard fork again?" - MeatsackMescalero

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If we cant trust him to address important issues directly, and truthfully,

"why should we trust him with anything at all?" - MemoryDealers

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One Meg Greg.

"I don't think there is anyone who has done more damage than him." - SWt006hij

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Greg maxwell expressing concern over censorship.

"He and Blockstream love it! https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4 ... ls_are_an/" - Gobitcoin

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There is no reason for expecting anything positive from the mining cartel.

"/r/btcfork" - MeTheImaginaryWizard

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I guess those of us hoping that all the noise the various miners were making two months ago would mean that things would change after the 1st

"but it looks like if anything that noise was simply a way to get leverage in whatever private dealings have been going on." - moYouKnow

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I came to the conclusion that it would be wise to start the fork with the same PoW that Bitcoin has, but only change the PoW after the chain is attacked by Bitcoin miners.

"I forecast the probability of such attack is at least 98% as the miners are clearly collaborating with Core/Blocksteam for unknown reasons." - ShadowOfHarbringer

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Greg Maxwell, why are you spending time making personal attacks here?

"If I had stock in a company and the CEO acted anything like greg I would run like hell; he has stated that the natural state of Bitcoin is to always have full blocks, he is actively working towards a future that is not Bitcoin, not the ideas presented by Satoshi or in the whitepaper," - zcc0nonA

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Satoshi version of bitcoin: lower fees = more users = more nodes = more demand = higher value = more miners = higher security = higher value = more users = more nodes = more demand = higher value = more miners = higher security = higher value = more app's = more users = more nodes = more demand

"Gregonomic's version of bitcoin: Higher fees = less users = less nodes = less demand = less nodes = lower security = lower value = less demand = lower app development = more spillage into Alt-Coins = less demand = less value" - the-goat-herder

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Apparently he's also a childish jerk.

"Even A. Back seems like a better person compared to Gregory." - carpetjuice

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Adam can be an insidious dick as well.

"Threatening litigation if a Classic fork happened burned up about 30 years of his cypherpunk cred in my eyes." - DSNakamoto

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These guys are the worst of the worst,

"think the most unstable individual and then mix it in with a scammer, hacker and rat." - ethereum_developer

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An adoption of Bitcoin Unlimited would make it impossible for Blockstream to block Bitcoin from growing.

"The current situation is already quite dangerous for them. He has to spread lies 24/7..." - coin-master

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How can we actively support other developers than core?

"Is donating and running a full node enough to show the support without programming experience?" - 0xf3e

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Complaints from users, Day 56 (29/08/2016):

It baffles me how a for profit company interferes so heavily with the Bitcoin protocol development.

"There are obvious conflicts of interest." - Egon_1

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Blockstream has definitely done more damage to bitcoin than MtGox,

"Finex and all other scams/heists combined!" - bitdoggy

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We need to talk. The Bitcoin that Satoshi envisioned is dying as people just walk away.

"I've been a part of the bitcoin community since 2011 and right now I genuinely think Satoshi's vision for bitcoin is on the very edge of disappearing forever. Long-time community members are simply throwing their hands up and walking away. I know I have come pretty close to doing that myself.

If we don't do something before too many users leave we will have no hope in changing Bitcoin's course back to what everyone originally envisioned. In all honestly we may already be too late. If you look at the charts for this sub you will see the use of it has been steadily declining over the past few months. I'm noticing less and less participation is happening in each post with only 2 or three post on the front page getting much conversation going and they are usually over some controversy.

There are a number of reasons why this is happening. Firstly, one of the major reasons is Gregory Maxwell and his foot soldiers. He is outsmarting everyone here because the reality is, he is smarter than most people here. Here is what some of their main tactics are though. If you know them and take my advice it may help the situation;

Greg and his supporters accuse his opponents of all the things that he and his side do. This is highly effective, as to a casual observer it makes it very difficult to differentiate who is the one that is actually causing the problem. Most observers will simply think both groups are as bad as each other. It is not unlike the situation in sci-fi movies where there is an alien (or something similar) that transforms into a replica of someone and both are standing side-by-side calling the other the "phony" and only upon close inspection you are able to see which is the actual "phony". This is very difficult to defend against.

A second tactic they commonly use is to make some kind of prophecy based on little to no evidence, then they will work towards making that prophecy come true by any means necessary.



Some examples; r/btc has been under social attack from day one. It is a similar social attack that has been going on (and has succeeded) on r/bitcoin. There is a slightly different tactic being used on r/btc though.

On r/bitcoin they had the explicit support of theymos which meant that when the social attack started last year, anyone who went against it (i.e. pretty much everyone in the sub) theymos would simply ban them until the voice of the attackers outweighed or balanced the voice of the supporters. r/bitcoin being the main sub for bitcoin communication meant it is usually the first place new users become part of the bitcoin community. What they then get is a completely alternative view of bitcoin than the one most of us got any time before summer 2015. This was then taken to be the status quo by the new users and therefore was the view that they held. This meant that the sub started to fill with these new users who support the arguments given by the attackers. It worked, and if you go read the comments in r/bitcoin now you can see that it is a completely different community than at any time before summer 2015.

A trip down memory lane

The social attack on r/btc is different than the one on r/bitcoin in that they don't have the explicit support of the top mod here (/u/memorydealers). This makes their task more difficult as they can't simply have the view they want to be removed eradicated by banning anyone who states those views. It is worth noting that originally they did try to make this tactic possible by getting /u/btcdrak on the list of mods. He did this by socially engineering /u/memorydealers through social media. It was effective until the community here made enough of a fuss to have him removed. Instead their backup plan is now to make this place the "cesspool" they are proclaiming it to be (remember I said one of their tactics is to make prophecies come true). They do this by having a team of people posting in here day in day out stirring the pot and causing messy arguments. Over the last month or so they have been upping the ante and Greg himself has been coming here to create as much controversy as possible. Specifically he is trying to draw the devs of Bitcoin Classic and Bitcoin Unlimited out by attacking them both personally and professionally. He and his foot soldiers are purposely trying to turn r/btc into a shithole to push people away from the sub, and it's working. You can see posts here all the time from valuable members of the community saying they no longer want to be a part of the community any more. The stats back it up as well. Large numbers of the community are moving into other cryptocurrencies or simply giving up on cryptocurrency all together.

They are winning.



There only three ways to defend against this kind of attack.

Do not engage with these people. Their effectiveness comes from how big their platform is. The more you engage with them the bigger their voice is. I understand the argument that bad/false arguments should be corrected, but this is not effective. It takes 1000 times more effort to counter bullshit than it does to counter the truth. You will never win this way (unfortunately). If you feel what they are saying does not have value or has negative value simply downvote and discuss with other people in the thread. That is not to say that people should not debate with genuine people, but there are specific users who ARE NOT GENUINE. They are not here for genuine debate.

/u/memorydealers you need to remove the trolls . There are some here that would call it censorship but you are not banning an idea. You are banning the shit stirring that goes on here on a daily basis. What these attackers want most is a platform. It's the reason why they spend so much time complaining about the censorship here but spend zero time complaining about the censorship in r/bitcoin. They don't actually care about about censorship. They care about socially attacking the community and to be able to do that their accounts need to be able to post here. I am sure there will be some amount of community backlash but at this point what do you have to lose? The community here is dying anyway.

We need to fork bitcoin and stop debating whether a block size increase should happen or not. The debate has happened. No compromise was made by Core and they have decided they are going to do what they want to do and nothing anyone else is going to say is going to stop them. Miners have shown almost 100% support in bitcoin core and there is absolutely zero indication that this will change. If anything, their support seems to be growing. We need a divorce and one that happens as cleanly as possible. A clean divorce is far better for everyone than an unhappy marriage. That means we have to simply stop engaging with core and hoping that things will change. Support for a fork needs to increase and all effort needs to go into making it successful. This is the ONLY way users are going to be given a voice. We need support from the teams of Bitcoin Classic and Bitcoin Unlimited. All of these teams (including the one that is gathering around the btcforks project) supports a multi-client and free-choice development environment and all support on-chain scaling. If we work together we will have a much much higher likelihood of success.

These are the users that I believe to be attacking both r/btc and r/bitcoin (and I am certain there more):

/u/chodpaba
/u/fury420
/u/CosmicHemorroid
/u/Hernzzzz
/u/vbenes
/u/llortoftrolls
/u/smartfbrankings
/u/unconfirmedbtc
/u/batchainer
/u/manginahunter
/u/Lejitz
/u/110101002
/u/Anduckk
/u/Guy_Tell
/u/marcus_of_augustus
/u/brg444
/u/luckdragon69
/u/belcher_
/u/btcdrak
/u/veqtrus
/u/jonny1000
/u/Twisted_word
" - singularity87