I saw a lot of text, but no scam accusation.
Where is the scam accusation?
Don't you think it is "scummy" to call something "scammy" when there is no scam?
Can you comment on some of the issues I raised above?The site has improved over time. Various folks are contributing to design, and other parts to improve the overall quality...
I'm not personally working on these parts of the site so I haven't been involved in the setup or discussions.Can you comment on some of the issues I raised above?
Can we get some people who are involved, on this thread? There can't be too many right, small community. Or if there is a better place to propose changes let me know. But "suggestions" often fall on deaf ears unless there is active commentary around it.I'm not personally working on these parts of the site so I haven't been involved in the setup or discussions.
We are talking about bitcoin.com the website here. Owned by Roger Ver and same people running this forum I would assume.The only #bitcoin person i know for sure is gmaxwell...
We are talking about bitcoin.com the website here. Owned by Roger Ver and same people running this forum I would assume.The only #bitcoin person i know for sure is gmaxwell...
Right to get the "scammy" message removed you have to get in touch with whoever controls that freenode irc channel. Probably theymos.Yes and on #bitcoin IRC that shows this messed up message - one of mods if gmaxwell, the core dev
good luck with that one. dictators wont change their opinion.Right to get the "scammy" message removed you have to get in touch with whoever controls that freenode irc channel. Probably theymos.Yes and on #bitcoin IRC that shows this messed up message - one of mods if gmaxwell, the core dev
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No not at all, please read my post again and my previous posts on this thread. I have no evidence of any scam with the Bitcoin.com casino.Are you accusing the Bitcoin.com casino of being a scam?
If so, please present your evidence.
You have presented no evidence of any type of scam.No not at all, please read my post again and my previous posts on this thread. I have no evidence of any scam with the Bitcoin.com casino.Are you accusing the Bitcoin.com casino of being a scam?
If so, please present your evidence.
However, Online gambling has a few issues, like, as a player...
1) You have no idea if you are playing against other real people or against bots/AI. After all we know have computers that can beat people at Go and Chess. Bots in online gambling I think are fairly common and I'm pretty sure many of these have an advantage over humans.
2) You have no idea if the House is not running their own bots or passing information to certain players, or adjusting the odds in other ways.
3) Large sums are often left stored with the Casino, which can lead to Gox like situations (this is true at all Exchanges today as well of course).
Hopefully at least you've solved point 3 and people can send their balance to their wallet at any time (or maybe this happens in realtime?).
But points 1 & 2 will always be problematic. Now I guess you can argue, that anyone can run a bot/AI, etc so it is a level playing field, and all is fair. And you could argue that these bots may be flawed and a smart player could exploit those flaws. Both points have some merit but still many a player will try online gambling without realizing what they are up against. As for point 2 well there is no way to know for sure, unless you've developed some decentralized mechanisms for the server/client and card shuffling/dealing etc that somehow eliminate this possibility.
The point is Online gambling is "scammy" in the sense that it is likely to be connected to scams or at least in the past was linked to numerous scams. It does not mean there is actually a scam taking place at the moment.
You have presented no evidence of any type of scam.
Stop trying to control Roger by what he can and can't do.
So you mostly seized on the last sentence of my previous post, and sort of glossed over the other 3 points that formed the basis for it. Maybe you could at least explain how the casino is tackling points 1, 2, 3. Tell us all the protections you have in place and how people's balance is automatically transferred back to their own wallet at the end of each session or something like that. Tell us about the security measures in place to prevent insiders from gaming the system. Tell us about your bot detection algorithms.Two quote your own words with some very minor changes:
"The point is humans are "scammy" in the sense that they are likely to be connected to scams or at least in the past were linked to numerous scams. It does not mean there is actually a scam taking place at the moment."
I think that should show clearly just how baseless the connection you are insinuating is.
Either way, I think humans should be more concerned about competing with AI in life in general rather than some online casino.
There is a tough road ahead for humans.
You don't seem to have read the FAQ, or even taken a cursory glance at the current casino.So you mostly seized on the last sentence of my previous post, and sort of glossed over the other 3 points that formed the basis for it. Maybe you could at least explain how the casino is tackling points 1, 2, 3. Tell us all the protections you have in place and how people's balance is automatically transferred back to their own wallet at the end of each session or something like that. Tell us about the security measures in place to prevent insiders from gaming the system. Tell us about your bot detection algorithms.Two quote your own words with some very minor changes:
"The point is humans are "scammy" in the sense that they are likely to be connected to scams or at least in the past were linked to numerous scams. It does not mean there is actually a scam taking place at the moment."
I think that should show clearly just how baseless the connection you are insinuating is.
Either way, I think humans should be more concerned about competing with AI in life in general rather than some online casino.
There is a tough road ahead for humans.
Gambling with real money is real life (as are most things humans spend time on, virtual or otherwise), so your "life in general" argument actually works against you here. People spend a lot of time online, and that is where bots/AI will be used extensively.
Dude, I'm in the freaking US, I get 404 errors on every casino link.You don't seem to have read the FAQ, or even taken a cursory glance at the current casino.
If you had, you would know the answers to your questions:
1. You are only playing against the house. There are currently no games that allow players to play against each other.
2. Irrelevant in light of answer #1.
3. Withdraw your money when you are done playing. (Simple)
Not to take sides in this debate but realistically speaking all of the points you raised are irrelevant.Dude, I'm in the freaking US, I get 404 errors on every casino link.You don't seem to have read the FAQ, or even taken a cursory glance at the current casino.
If you had, you would know the answers to your questions:
1. You are only playing against the house. There are currently no games that allow players to play against each other.
2. Irrelevant in light of answer #1.
3. Withdraw your money when you are done playing. (Simple)
How is "2" (You have no idea if the House is not running their own bots or passing information to certain players, or adjusting the odds in other ways.) irrelevant if you are just playing against the House? Yes, bots and passing information to other players may be less relevant, but certainly "adjusting odds in other ways" is pretty damn relevant. What you have roulette there or something and everyone just goes on blind faith that you aren't tilting the odds? Other players may be even less risky than going against the house only 100% of the time.
As for 3, it would be great if you prompted people at logoff or something if they want to transfer their balance. Ultimately this likely means less risk to you and your customers since less money overall is stored in Casino wallets for long periods of time. More hot wallet transfers could mean more risk in some ways as well, but I think on balance encouraging people not to leave the bitcoins with you for long periods is the way to go.
LOL, funny. Everything you said sucks, but I'm not taking sidesNot to take sides in this debate but realistically speaking all of the points you raised are irrelevant.
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