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Tue May 02, 2017 12:28 pm

Hi Fremont,

i just noticed that i am no longer a mod here on bitcoin.com despite beeing one of the most active and oldest mods. I dont understand the exact reason. I deleted 2 of MY OWN threads and accidentally 5 users posts. You can restore the users post, no problem! Information should be free.

Maybe you can explain it? To me it looks like blatant cesorship just because i dont support the business interests of Roger Ver.

I think this forum and bitcoin.com are on the wrong path! You should not censor information (deleting or hiding the Core Wallet), support miner centralization (Bitmain), support Node centralization ("a couple of nodes are enough" RogerVer) and hinder bitcoins develeopment (SW/LN) just because you want more control (Roger/Bitmain).

Greed is toxic but a strong force in these people.


I was contacted by some mods in the past which changed their opinion about the totally broken Bitcoin Unlimited software and this whole bitcoin.com project.

I hope that more people will change their mind and are not buyable with some cheap USD.



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Tue May 02, 2017 12:38 pm

Maybe you can explain it? To me it looks like blatant cesorship just because i dont support the business interests of Roger Ver.
Panic not, for you are not censored. I can confirm that to be the case because (as a lowly forum user)I can still see your messages appearing here. Without doubt https://forum.bitcoin.com is not censored.

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Tue May 02, 2017 12:45 pm

I think this forum and bitcoin.com are on the wrong path!
That's okay. Everyone has a right to an opinion.
You should not censor information (deleting or hiding the Core Wallet),
I believe that was a misunderstanding/misreading on your part that has been clarified.
support miner centralization (Bitmain)
Bitmain does not control anywhere close to a majority of hash power. You need to stop with these falsehoods.
, support Node centralization ("a couple of nodes are enough" RogerVer) and hinder bitcoins develeopment (SW/LN) just because you want more control (Roger/Bitmain).
More lies. Please stop.

Greed is toxic but a strong force in these people.[/b]
If you mean your fellow Blockstream employees then we agree.
I was contacted by some mods in the past which changed their opinion about the totally broken Bitcoin Unlimited software and this whole bitcoin.com project.
Totally? Come on, you are being a little excessive there. Try not to exaggerate so much.
I hope that more people will change their mind and are not buyable with some cheap USD.
What does Blockstream pay you in? BTC, USD, EUR or NZD?

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Tue May 02, 2017 1:17 pm

You went on some sort of emotional rampage deleting all your posts (which is fine, they are your posts) but you also went around deleting other people's posts too!

This isn't the first time either you abused your mod perms. You also deleted other people's posts in the past that conflicted with your opinion. For example the time you deleted my posts because they conflicted with your opinion on SegWit.

You also engaged in other unethical behavior for example when you were telling people that they should commit credit card fraud.

You clearly have abused your mod powers and your deletion of several posts that weren't yours was the specific reason your mod status was removed yesterday.

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Tue May 02, 2017 1:32 pm

You clearly have abused your mod powers and your deletion of several posts that weren't yours...
A page taken right out of the Maxwell Guide to Wikipedia Abuse.

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Tue May 02, 2017 2:07 pm

Im going to miss you mate, you did put in a lot of work here for a long time, since the very beginning but i have to agree that it was time you took a little break.
You used to post articles about all different bitcoin news stories but lately you seem to have used the forum to push your own opinion a little too much instead of thinking what is best for the forum and its members.

Since you have been here from the start, you know how the forum works and know that we do not delete posts here. Anyone is free to delete their own posts for whatever reason they want to but you cannot delete the posts of another user.

I hate to see any member leave us and especially a moderator but i hope you will continue to post here, even if it is just to push your own agenda i believe it's always best that one has access to all the info available and can then decide for themselves what is FUD and what is not.

Thanks for the work you did put in for us, you were a big help in the early days here.

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Tue May 02, 2017 3:58 pm

You went on some sort of emotional rampage deleting all your posts (which is fine, they are your posts) but you also went around deleting other people's posts too!

This isn't the first time either you abused your mod perms. You also deleted other people's posts in the past that conflicted with your opinion. For example the time you deleted my posts because they conflicted with your opinion on SegWit.

You also engaged in other unethical behavior for example when you were telling people that they should commit credit card fraud.

You clearly have abused your mod powers and your deletion of several posts that weren't yours was the specific reason your mod status was removed yesterday.

I never deleted user posts except accidentally the 5 users posts in my own thread when i was deleting my own thread . You can restore the users post, no problem!

What are you talking about then? Proof?

I know that i deleted alot of chinese spam - wasnt that my job :D ?


I never said that people should make CC fraud. You are lying and everyone can see that.

How much is Roger paying you by the way? ;)
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Tue May 02, 2017 6:05 pm

You went on some sort of emotional rampage deleting all your posts (which is fine, they are your posts) but you also went around deleting other people's posts too!

This isn't the first time either you abused your mod perms. You also deleted other people's posts in the past that conflicted with your opinion. For example the time you deleted my posts because they conflicted with your opinion on SegWit.

You also engaged in other unethical behavior for example when you were telling people that they should commit credit card fraud.

You clearly have abused your mod powers and your deletion of several posts that weren't yours was the specific reason your mod status was removed yesterday.

I never deleted user posts except accidentally the 5 users posts in my own thread when i was deleting my own thread . You can restore the users post, no problem!

What are you talking about then? Proof?

I know that i deleted alot of chinese spam - wasnt that my job :D ?


I never said that people should make CC fraud. You are lying and everyone can see that.

How much is Roger paying you by the way? ;)
You have just confirmed that you are a liar. You are now just another person which I respected in the Bitcoin space that has been reduced to someone I now consider a troll.

You can see the deleted post here: topic12979.html

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You can also see in the modlogs you deleting there too

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You had no right to delete my posts, but because you didn't like them because they differed from your opinion on SegWit, you abused your mod status and deleted them.

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Tue May 02, 2017 6:09 pm

Hi Fremont,

i just noticed that i am no longer a mod here on bitcoin.com despite beeing one of the most active and oldest mods. I dont understand the exact reason. I deleted 2 of MY OWN threads and accidentally 5 users posts. You can restore the users post, no problem! Information should be free.

Maybe you can explain it? To me it looks like blatant cesorship just because i dont support the business interests of Roger Ver.
Hi LiteCoinGuy,

I explained the reason for your removal from the moderator group in the following private message:
Hi LiteCoinGuy,
CC: Global moderators

I'm somewhat shocked by the actions you have taken on the forum, and very sad to be left with no choice but to remove you from the moderator group due to your deletion of other user's posts. Please note that this has nothing at all to do with posts which other users may have disagreed with you on - it is solely as a result of your actions in deleting the posts of other users.

Freedom of speech is of the utmost importance on the Bitcoin.com forum and utilising your position as a moderator to censor regular users absolutely cannot be tolerated. Such actions are venomous in the extreme, incredibly damaging to the progress of discussion between users and groups who may disagree, and wholly unbecoming of a moderator on a forum which holds freedom of speech in the highest regard.

You moved your own thread to the Trashcan, which as a moderator you are perfectly entitled to do, however you have absolutely no right to delete other people's posts within any thread unless they constitute spam or otherwise violate the laws of the jurisdiction in which the forum is hosted; the thread in question is below, though there may be others which we will have to check out:

trashcan/overview-bitcoin-hardware-wall ... -t200.html

I sincerely hope that we won't lose you as a poster here on the Bitcoin.com forum as you post a lot of very interesting threads which often drum up quite a bit of debate - something which should be encouraged rather than limited - and although the situation has ended on something of a sour note in a professional capacity I do hope that we can all remain amicable on a personal level.

Regards,

Fremont
I think this forum and bitcoin.com are on the wrong path!
I'm sorry you feel that this forum and Bitcoin.com are on the wrong path, but we feel that we must offer an alternative to censorship and ensure that people have a place where they can discuss topics freely.
You should not censor information (deleting or hiding the Core Wallet), support miner centralization (Bitmain), support Node centralization ("a couple of nodes are enough" RogerVer) and hinder bitcoins develeopment (SW/LN) just because you want more control (Roger/Bitmain).

Greed is toxic but a strong force in these people.
You refer to "deleting or hiding the Core Wallet" as censorship, and I have explained here that it was not censorship at all - it was, in fact, a misunderstanding on your part as to how the Wallets section of Bitcoin.com works as well as a wallet ('Bitcoin Classic', not 'Bitcoin Unlimited') which was shown in the Desktop Wallets section rather than solely in the Full Wallets section. If you're feeling anti-censorship (something which I highly commend) perhaps you might take the issue of censorship up with those who are actually engaging in it on bitcointalk.org and /r/bitcoin?

Regarding the other points you raised which do not fall under my own responsibilities here at Bitcoin.com, those issues and the often misconstrued words behind them have been tirelessly debated back and forth. You are certainly entitled to express your opinions on them here, but as they fall outside of my own responsibilities here and also have nothing to do with my removing you as a moderator I will leave it to you to address them where relevant, and with those best placed to do so.

Regarding 'hindering bitcoin's development' the same argument can be trotted out by both sides, and I do not engage in promoting one or the other in order to ensure administrative neutrality here on the forum.

I was contacted by some mods in the past which changed their opinion about the totally broken Bitcoin Unlimited software and this whole bitcoin.com project.

I hope that more people will change their mind and are not buyable with some cheap USD.

Thx
LCG BTC
People's opinions change, and that is absolutely fine - what is of great importance is that they are always afforded a venue in which they can voice those opinions without their posts being deleted, and that is something which we offer here. Violating that freedom by removing other's posts is the reason that you were removed as a moderator, though you are always free to express your opinion here. Your right to do so is set in stone by the guiding principles of this forum.

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Tue May 02, 2017 6:16 pm

You went on some sort of emotional rampage deleting all your posts (which is fine, they are your posts) but you also went around deleting other people's posts too!

This isn't the first time either you abused your mod perms. You also deleted other people's posts in the past that conflicted with your opinion. For example the time you deleted my posts because they conflicted with your opinion on SegWit.

You also engaged in other unethical behavior for example when you were telling people that they should commit credit card fraud.

You clearly have abused your mod powers and your deletion of several posts that weren't yours was the specific reason your mod status was removed yesterday.

I never deleted user posts except accidentally the 5 users posts in my own thread when i was deleting my own thread . You can restore the users post, no problem!

What are you talking about then? Proof?

I know that i deleted alot of chinese spam - wasnt that my job :D ?


I never said that people should make CC fraud. You are lying and everyone can see that.

How much is Roger paying you by the way? ;)
You have just confirmed that you are a liar. You are now just another person which I respected in the Bitcoin space that has been reduced to someone I now consider a troll.

You can see the deleted post here: topic12979.html

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You can also see in the modlogs you deleting there too

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You had no right to delete my posts, but because you didn't like them because they differed from your opinion on SegWit, you abused your mod status and deleted them.
Yes, because it is an FAQ and not a discussion thread. I can see nothing wrong with that. The censorship in this forum is blatant. I am sorry for all the people that join this echo chamber but i will make sure they find the right path :)
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Tue May 02, 2017 7:49 pm

Yes, because it is an FAQ and not a discussion thread. I can see nothing wrong with that. The censorship in this forum is blatant. I am sorry for all the people that join this echo chamber but i will make sure they find the right path :)
You are certainly free to express your opinion here but please point out where you see blatant censorship so as we can combat that censorship and ensure free discussion continues.

I believe I actually backed you up on the FAQ issue mentioned above, agreeing that a FAQ post should be whatever the original poster wants it to be (and also to keep it cleanly laid out for the purposes of clarity to those reading it), with those of an opposing view free to create their own FAQ or discussion thread about the FAQ they disagree with.

Again I'm not sure where you see censorship here, and I'll gladly work with you (and anybody else) to prevent such censorship from occurring if you would be kind enough to point it out to me.

Thanks,

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Tue May 02, 2017 9:11 pm

Hey Litecoinguy, weren't you just on here a few months ago complaining about how Blockstream costed your business tens of thousands of dollars? Or was that someone else?

Now you're starting shit on purpose, which was obviously purposely of your own doing, you made mistakes, abused your power and now seek to start drama and even posted your over-dramaticized BS on r/bitcoin. Not very professional of you, now is it? You obviously don't deserve to be a moderator, if you're going to start drama and start shit just to prove your petty little point, which is clearly wrong anyway.

Or was this whole thread just for show just so you could pump up the Shillery on r/bitcoin, where none of us can even respond to all the FUD since we're all banned or shadowbanned? How Cowardly.

All the classic signs of a paid Blockstream shill, basically more FUD and laughable BS directed against Roger Ver, bitcoin.com and of course against Bitmain and against large blocks. Do you have any dignity? Any self-respect? Apparently not, since your opinions are for sale to the highest bidder. Go take a look in the mirror and do some serious self-evaluation, it's what you need the most.

You accuse bitcoin.com of censorship, yeah, great idea - when your beloved r/bitcoin has banned or shadowbanned THOUSANDS of accounts and removed TENS OF THOUSANDS of comments for not being in line with Blockstream's corporate agenda. Sorry, but r/btc and bitcoin.com do not do that. You pathetic, sad little liar.

Your agenda is clear.

Go tell your bosses at Cockstream that the propaganda ain't working, all of blockstream's shit tactics are falling flat on their face, and Blockstream will be remembered as nothing more than a sad little pimple that managed to restrict Bitcoin's growth for a couple years , but then got kicked out and faded into irrelevance where they belong. No one will remember Blockstream. Adam Back and 1meggreg are going to go have to start their own altcoin pretty soon, because they won't have influence over bitcoin for very much longer.
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Wed May 03, 2017 9:25 am

Hey Litecoinguy, weren't you just on here a few months ago complaining about how Blockstream costed your business tens of thousands of dollars? Or was that someone else?
That wasnt me Mr Shill :)
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Wed May 03, 2017 12:54 pm

You went on some sort of emotional rampage deleting all your posts (which is fine, they are your posts) but you also went around deleting other people's posts too!

This isn't the first time either you abused your mod perms. You also deleted other people's posts in the past that conflicted with your opinion. For example the time you deleted my posts because they conflicted with your opinion on SegWit.

You also engaged in other unethical behavior for example when you were telling people that they should commit credit card fraud.

You clearly have abused your mod powers and your deletion of several posts that weren't yours was the specific reason your mod status was removed yesterday.
Can you link to the thread where he supports credit card fraud?
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Wed May 03, 2017 1:31 pm

You went on some sort of emotional rampage deleting all your posts (which is fine, they are your posts) but you also went around deleting other people's posts too!

This isn't the first time either you abused your mod perms. You also deleted other people's posts in the past that conflicted with your opinion. For example the time you deleted my posts because they conflicted with your opinion on SegWit.

You also engaged in other unethical behavior for example when you were telling people that they should commit credit card fraud.

You clearly have abused your mod powers and your deletion of several posts that weren't yours was the specific reason your mod status was removed yesterday.
Can you link to the thread where he supports credit card fraud?
I believe that he is referring to this thread : topic24213.html
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Wed May 03, 2017 3:44 pm

[...] the Wallets section of Bitcoin.com works as well as a wallet ('Bitcoin Classic', not 'Bitcoin Unlimited') which was shown in the Desktop Wallets section rather than solely in the Full Wallets section.
I just checked and the Classic link on the Desktop section was already moved to the Full section. So the correction has been made. You can see it here: https://www.bitcoin.com/choose-your-wal ... egory=full

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Fri May 05, 2017 10:06 am

[...] the Wallets section of Bitcoin.com works as well as a wallet ('Bitcoin Classic', not 'Bitcoin Unlimited') which was shown in the Desktop Wallets section rather than solely in the Full Wallets section.
I just checked and the Classic link on the Desktop section was already moved to the Full section. So the correction has been made. You can see it here: https://www.bitcoin.com/choose-your-wal ... egory=full
Thanks for stopping by and helping to stop the lies which are propagated on this forum.

I still can´t find the Core Wallet on bitcoin.com. So why is it still censored?

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Fri May 05, 2017 10:37 am

I still can´t find the Core Wallet on bitcoin.com. So why is it still censored?

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Perhaps if you looked in the right section rather than making nonsensical claims of 'censorship', you would find it:

Full Wallets

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I have asked you multiple times now to point out the censorship that you say occurs here and you have failed to provide even one example. If censorship is occurring please do provide your evidence of this so as I can combat it and ensure that this apparent censorship does not continue.

If you cannot do so you're simply showing yourself up to be full of hot air with no substance behind your claims.

You are also free to fund the Bitcoin Core wallet campaign if you wish to see it promoted more heavily in the Full wallets section, something I advised you of previously when you made rather petulant claims of wallet censorship:
post58917.html#p58917

Tell me: do people have the opportunity to promote Bitcoin Unlimited over on bitcoin.org, the opportunity to discuss Bitcoin Unlimited over on bitcointalk.org, or the opportunity to do either over on /r/btc? If not then your claims of 'censorship' are misdirected, and if you are truly anti-censorship you will no doubt begin to combat that on those respective sites.

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BitcoinXio is still abusing hid mod status because every post that i make is downvoted. Is that the free forum that you talk about? For me that is suppression of a different opinion = censorship! Why is that okay?

This forum was started so that everyone could express his opinion and i am just doing that. Stop the censorship!
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Sun May 07, 2017 2:39 pm

BitcoinXio is still abusing hid mod status because every post that i make is downvoted. Is that the free forum that you talk about? For me that is suppression of a different opinion = censorship! Why is that okay?
There is no 'downvoting' or 'upvoting' here, merely a 'reputation system' which any user can use to indicate that they agree or disagree with a post. The visibility of your post is not affected (so this does not result in those posts being hidden as it does on Reddit, for instance), nor is its position altered. Thus it has no impact on freedom of speech and this remains the "free forum that talk about", yes.

Indeed, though it may come as a shock to you because you have so clearly selectively forgotten that you also engage in doling out negative reputation, you have been engaging in the same behaviour against BitcoinXio and others. Shocking, eh!! I will gladly post those logs here publicly which show you to be engaging in this, if you so desire.

So again, please do point out how your opinion is being suppressed or censored and I will take steps to combat it.

I'm not here to argue with you, LiteCoinGuy - in fact I will support any stance against censorship that you can make if you can demonstrate even once that censorship is actually occurring. If you continue to act in an immature fashion, neglecting to have a mature, logical conversation and simply continue to spout nonsense instead then there's no point in me continuing to engage with you on the topic because you're not making any valid arguments to support your position.

Demonstrate where censorship of free speech is occurring here and I will ensure such censorship does not continue. Otherwise you're showing yourself up to be coming from a position of childish, wholly nonsensical opposition solely for the sake of it.

You may also wish to re-read the definition of 'suppression' - it means "to forcibly put an end to" or "prevent the dissemination of (information)". Nobody is forcibly putting an end to you posting your opinions here, nor is anyone preventing the dissemination of any information that you wish to put forth. However, that is occurring over on bitcointalk and /r/bitcoin, and as this is the case I trust that are you going to tackle that issue in those respective fora? Yes? Or will you simply decline to do so and show yourself up to be a hypocrite?

This forum was started so that everyone could express his opinion and i am just doing that. Stop the censorship!


Indeed it was, and you continue to be free to do so. When you can point out how you are not free to do so then your screams of "Stop the censorship!" will be a cause I will completely rally behind and fully support you on.

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Re: An open letter to Fremont / Mod status removed for no good reason

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I will gladly post those logs here publicly which show you to be engaging in this, if you so desire..
Fremont, please feel free to post my entire unredacted reputation history.

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Re: An open letter to Fremont / Mod status removed for no good reason

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I agree with this post open letter to fremont /mod status removed for no good reason.

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Re: An open letter to Fremont / Mod status removed for no good reason

Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:13 pm

This thread is so full of hate and disagreement. It's sickening.

Litecoinguy, from the images I can see above, including the note you gave alongside the deletion of bitcoinxio's post, it seems that you definitely didn't accidentally deleted any posts, especially the aforementioned one. Even if you did accidentally delete the posts, did you tell anyone, apologise, or notify the original posters? I'm not accusing you, i'm asking whether or not you took the logical course of action in the case of you accidentally deleting someone else's​ post. How exactly did you manage to accidentally delete 5 posts?

On the other hand, there isn't much clarity for the reason for this reputation system. If it is to be used as Fremont has previously described, as a means of expressing whether or not you agree with a post, it's not really reputation, is it? It's how much others agree with you. I believe the reputation system should be used for whether or not you think the user is a reliable source of information, and someone to place your trust in. It shouldn't be given out if someone opposes you.

I do see where LCG is coming from, that Bitcoinxio is negging his posts just because he disagrees, but I wouldn't call that abuse of mod privileges, because even people without a moderator role can do it. Hell, even you, LCG, can do it! In my opinion, you're both incorrectly using the system. Sure, one of you can say you were retaliating, but (I don't want to sound like a parent here), but that's still just as bad.

From all the evidence here on this thread, it does point to the fact that LCG tends to try and use his moderation privileges to get his posts seen. I've noticed this on other occasions (Not saying this is necessarily wrong), when he pins all of the threads that he deems worthy, almost all his own. Pinning a bread is a big thing, and shouldn't just be performed on every random thread you post. I'm not one really to have any say in this, but it just my observation that LCG tends to use his moderation privileges to put his opinions on top of everyone else's.
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Re: An open letter to Fremont / Mod status removed for no good reason

Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:15 pm

I agree with this post open letter to fremont /mod status removed for no good reason.
The more times I read this post, the more it looks like spam to me.

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