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Now that the Bitcoin Core Capacity increases FAQ came out what next?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:29 am

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The Bitcoin Core Capacity Increases FAQ just came out.

Quite a few developers and others have signed it and there seems a concerted effort on the part of some to push it through. However, some of the main developers (including, among others Gavin, Hearn, Garzik, Emin Gün Sirer (Cornell professor and distributed systems expert) , and Dr Peter R. Rizun (co-managing editor at Ledger)) haven't signed on to it yet.

Where does it leave the rest of us? And is this a kind of plan that wallets, exchanges and payment processors will sign up to and get behind? (I hope not.)

IMHO it seems the best way forward is to plan a hard fork with the economic majority. Say, after block ## number we pledge to only make and accept BIP 101 blocks or Bitcoin unlimited blocks. If we fork with the economic majority miners will eventually sign up to the new fork and our hashing power will return and surpass our original hashing power. The economic majority can help field nodes and miners to provide security for the block until enough miners switch over.

Time is pretty much up. Discussion has gone on for over a year and Blockstream affiliated developers have finally made their plans crystal clear. Blocks area already filling up precariously. (Quite a few 900k blocks in the last few hours.)

If we want bitcoin to be used as a regular currency with apps such as purse.io, foldapp, and open bazaar, we all as a community will have to take action soon.

Some are suggesting Gavin close down the original github repository so that both the blockstream core and the unlimited or bip 101 core can start on an equal footing. Regardless if that happens or not, we'll have a couple rocky months ahead of us.
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Re: Now that the Bitcoin Core Capacity increases FAQ came out what next?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:47 am

It's very difficult to get the crowd to follow any new idea, or in Bitcoin a fork.

It's not a programming problem, or math problem, it's a people problem, and that's why this has been so difficult. Programmers are used to solving issues relatively quick, especially in cases where they can easily revert changes. With Bitcoin we'll struggle forever. Unfortunately, people problems, and any democracy for that matter is not perfect. There's always those left out, and those that do not agree, and it's unfortunate. The problem is, if someone makes a fork or an alt-coin they don't have any users to start with, and they don't have an economic value of the coin. I think at this point wherever the money goes, and the miners we will follow. Unfortunately, we'll never have 100% agreement.
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Re: Now that the Bitcoin Core Capacity increases FAQ came out what next?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:34 am

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The Bitcoin Core Capacity Increases FAQ just came out.

Quite a few developers and others have signed it and there seems a concerted effort on the part of some to push it through. However, some of the main developers (including, among others Gavin, Hearn, Garzik, Emin Gün Sirer (Cornell professor and distributed systems expert) , and Dr Peter R. Rizun (co-managing editor at Ledger)) haven't signed on to it yet.

Where does it leave the rest of us? And is this a kind of plan that wallets, exchanges and payment processors will sign up to and get behind? (I hope not.)

IMHO it seems the best way forward is to plan a hard fork with the economic majority. Say, after block ## number we pledge to only make and accept BIP 101 blocks or Bitcoin unlimited blocks. If we fork with the economic majority miners will eventually sign up to the new fork and our hashing power will return and surpass our original hashing power. The economic majority can help field nodes and miners to provide security for the block until enough miners switch over.

Time is pretty much up. Discussion has gone on for over a year and Blockstream affiliated developers have finally made their plans crystal clear. Blocks area already filling up precariously. (Quite a few 900k blocks in the last few hours.)

If we want bitcoin to be used as a regular currency with apps such as purse.io, foldapp, and open bazaar, we all as a community will have to take action soon.

Some are suggesting Gavin close down the original github repository so that both the blockstream core and the unlimited or bip 101 core can start on an equal footing. Regardless if that happens or not, we'll have a couple rocky months ahead of us.
Peter R. Rizun tried to encourage Gavin Andresen to shut down the Bitcoin Github repository. You would not expect this off the wall request from the Editor of a peer reviewed journal (even a brand new one.)

The Capacity Increases FAQ is well written with a reasonable timetable. SegWit is tentatively scheduled to be deployed April 2016. Like it or not, Bitcoin XT had a chance, was not widely accepted and it is now time to move on with SegWit.

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Re: Now that the Bitcoin Core Capacity increases FAQ came out what next?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:24 pm


The Capacity Increases FAQ is well written with a reasonable timetable. SegWit is tentatively scheduled to be deployed April 2016. Like it or not, Bitcoin XT had a chance, was not widely accepted and it is now time to move on with SegWit.
I fully agree. I completely understand the support for raising the max block size now by BIP101/XT or 2-4-8, but that hasn't been able to gain consensus. I have not seen any convincing objections to the SegWit soft fork scalability roadmap recently published; all I see is a lot of personal animosity toward certain influential people on the other side of the debate and emotional attachment to a preferred solution that seems to have near zero chance of being accepted (miners especially will never support a contentious hard fork).

Bottom line: people who care about the price of bitcoin should drop their opposition to the SegWit soft fork for the time being and work towards its success, to demonstrate bitcoin is still capable of evolving and innovating, and then the market will adjust its valuation accordingly. Failure to resolve this painful dispute over a technical detail will result in the collapse of bitcoin's value. It is wiser to concede to your opponent's solution and see the value of your investment rise than stubbornly insist on being right while your investment crashes.

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Re: Now that the Bitcoin Core Capacity increases FAQ came out what next?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:27 pm

I am very happy with this roadmap for Bitcoin. Great job to Core team for improving communications.

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Re: Now that the Bitcoin Core Capacity increases FAQ came out what next?

Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:21 pm

the devs want to improve the software to its maximum and when everything is done in this regard they want to raise the blocksize. the reason for that is because they want bitcoin to stay as slick and decentralized as possible. i support that view.
but someday in the future an increase of the blocksize is inevitable. i would take the risk and do it now instead of years in the future (where it might not be possible anymore)...

the segwit update will give us a blocksize of 1.6 - 2 MB.
LN, SC will be beneficial too.
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